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[mickEblu]

I've always been told that 1/3 has to be saved for backstage since its so far away from the rest of the Resort. So at ~72 acres that leaves about 48-49 acres.

If we figure that each land will be about the size of Pandora or GE, that is 15ish acres per land (I'm being generous, so could be 1-2 acres smaller), that is 3 lands at 45 acres. Add in the gates and other entrance stuff like shops, food, etc., and paths between the lands and that takes up the remaining 3 acres.

So 3 lands at 2 C-D Tickets and 1 E Ticket each is only 9 attractions, and that is assuming they go with 3 attractions and not 2 like they did with GE and Pandora. I'm not shortchanging it, I'm using modern WDI standards that we've all discussed here before.

This is part of the reason im proposing a world showcase style park as you're not wasting as much room as you are on the single IP lands. A single IP land park would be a terrible idea on the Toy Story lot

 

[Disney Irish]

17- 20 no. Maybe 10 or so when you envision the kind of lands they build these days.

I mean you're going to run out of land at some point. But this would happen over a long period of time.

Except its about the same amount of acreage as the TSL, so if you say that 17-20 can go in TSL why can't 17-20 go into the expansion spots, especially since it'll have access to much of the infrastructure of the Resort unlike TSL.

 

[Disney Irish]

This part of the reason im proposing a world showcase style park as you're not wasting as much room as you are on the single IP lands. A single IP land park would be a terrible idea on the Toy Story lot

But this is modern Disney/WDI and so we know they are going to go toward single IP lands first over a world showcase.

 

[mickEblu]

Except its about the same amount of acreage as the TSL, so if you say that 17-20 can go in TSL why can't 17-20 go into the expansion spots, especially since it'll have access to much of the infrastructure of the Resort unlike TSL.

On the DL / DCA expansion lots they re likely to build single IP lands which usually have fewer attractions. A third park with all the land at one location allows them to think outside the box.

 

[mickEblu]

But this is modern Disney/WDI and so we know they are going to go toward single IP lands first over a world showcase.

That would be a mistake IMO

 

[Disney Irish]

On the DL / DCA expansion lots they re likely to build single IP lands which usually have fewer attractions. A third park with all the land at one location allows them to think outside the box.

You're giving Disney/WDI too much credit here. So unlike you lol

 

[mickEblu]

You're giving Disney/WDI too much credit here. So unlike you lol

I mean this is your last park (in Anaheim at least) and you're going to go with a 3-4 single IP land park? Doesn't make any sense. With World Showcase you wouldn't really need an entry style land Ala Main Street so you're saving space there too.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean this is your last park (in Anaheim at least) and you're going to go with a 3-4 single IP land park? Doesn't make any sense. With World Showcase you wouldn't really need an entry style land Ala Main Street so you're saving space there too.

That assumes they're thinking like you and not like modern Disney.

Also every Park has an entry style land, even World Showcase itself as a land has a long entry, which is about 4 acres and that is before you get into any country. I don't think you realize how small an acre actually is and how quickly square footage gets used up.

 

[mickEblu]

That assumes they're thinking like you and not like modern Disney.

Also every Park has an entry style land, even World Showcase itself as a land, which is about 4 acres and that is before you get into any country. I don't think you realize how small an acre actually is and how quickly square footage gets used up.

They should be thinking like me.

It wouldn't be necessary though but im sure there would be some sort of plaza or entry way. You definitely wouldn't need anything big.

 

[Disney Irish]

They should be thinking like me.

Yeah I don't see that happening lol.

It wouldn't be necessary though but im sure there would be some sort of plaza or entry way. You definitely wouldn't need anything big.

Well it would be a departure from any other Disney Park in history that is for sure.

Also 4 acres isn't very large. For reference just from the DL turnstiles to the sidewalk outside of Emporium is almost 2 acres itself. That doesn't even include the buildings like City Hall, Main St Opera House, etc, that is just walkway area around turnstiles to the flag pole. Add in City Hall and Opera House and that is almost 3 acres.

So even the most smallest entryway is going to be 2-4 acres. As you can't just plop everyone right into the attractions, you'd have no place to move with congestion, ie out the gates. So you have to have an entryway.

 

[mickEblu]

Yeah I don't see that happening lol.


Well it would be a departure from any other Disney Park in history that is for sure.

Also 4 acres isn't very large. For reference just from the DL turnstiles to the sidewalk outside of Emporium is almost 2 acres itself. That doesn't even include the buildings like City Hall, Main St Opera House, etc, that is just walkway area around turnstiles to the flag pole. Add in City Hall and Opera House and that is almost 3 acres.

So even the most smallest entryway is going to be 2-4 acres. As you can't just plop everyone right into the attractions, you'd have no place to move with congestion, ie out the gates. So you have to have an entryway.

A world showcase style park really doesn't need very much of an entry land. You could get away with a little plaza and mandatory catch all shop. It would be like a keyhole before the grand reveal of the world showcase / lagoon.

 

[Disney Irish]

A world showcase style park really doesn't need very much of an entry land. You could get away with a little plaza and mandatory catch all shop. It would be like a keyhole before the grand reveal of the world showcase / lagoon.

I get what you're saying I just don't think you've really thought this out from a logistical standpoint. From a fanciful bluesky idea on paper it sounds good, but when you start looking at things like guest flow, and such and other Park operations stuff it doesn't make sense.

 

[coffeefan]

I've always been told that 1/3 has to be saved for backstage since its so far away from the rest of the Resort. So at ~72 acres that leaves about 48-49 acres.

If we figure that each land will be about the size of Pandora or GE, that is 15ish acres per land (I'm being generous, so could be 1-2 acres smaller), that is 3 lands at 45 acres. Add in the gates and other entrance stuff like shops, food, etc., and paths between the lands and that takes up the remaining 3 acres.

So 3 lands at 2 C-D Tickets and 1 E Ticket each is only 9 attractions, and that is assuming they go with 3 attractions and not 2 like they did with GE and Pandora. I'm not shortchanging it, I'm using modern WDI standards that we've all discussed here before.

Tropical Americas is reported to be 11 acres according to the Disney park blog. That's probably the best comparison since Westcot was said to be based on continents (not countries). So based on your calculations, Disney could do four continents of similar scale (Asia, Americas, Europe, Africa) and a 5 acre port New York entrance land (wishcasting ).

 

[mickEblu]

I get what you're saying I just don't think you've really thought this out from a logistical standpoint. From a fanciful bluesky idea on paper it sounds good, but when you start looking at things like guest flow, and such and other Park operations stuff it doesn't make sense.

what exactly doesn't make sense?

 

[Disney Irish]

Tropical Americas is reported to be 11 acres according to the Disney park blog. That's probably the best comparison since Westcot was said to be based on continents (not countries). So based on your calculations, Disney could do four continents of similar scale (Asia, Americas, Europe, Africa) and a 5 acre port New York entrance land (wishcasting ).

So 12 attractions, yeah not a very huge Park for a 3rd gate.

 

[Disney Irish]

what exactly doesn't make sense?

Well first guest flow, you have none. You'd have I assume your first two attractions (one on the left path and one on the right path around the lagoon) within a quick sight line of the entrance. That puts the end of queue within range of the turnstiles, and that can lead to a backup right out the gates. Meaning you have congestion with people getting into and out of the Park.

Just think how hard it was to get into and out of Disneyland during nighttime entertainment before they opened the auxiliary paths on either side. Now imagine that if you had attractions where Emporium and Magic Shop are now, that is what you are talking about. That is a huge amount of congestion that will happen right at your entrance.

 

[coffeefan]

So 12 attractions, yeah not a very huge Park for a 3rd gate.

I think it is for a supporting park (or as WDWers call it, a 1/2 day park ). And the novelty of a new park goes a long way.
DCA was only slightly larger when it opened.

 

[mickEblu]

Well first guest flow, you have none. You'd have I assume your first two attractions (one on the left path and one on the right path around the lagoon) within a quick sight line of the entrance. That puts the end of queue within range of the turnstiles, and that can lead to a backup right out the gates. Meaning you have congestion with people getting into and out of the Park.

Just think how hard it was to get into and out of Disneyland during nighttime entertainment before they opened the auxiliary paths on either side. Now imagine that if you had attractions where Emporium and Magic Shop are now, that is what you are talking about. That is a huge amount of congestion that will happen right at your entrance.

Think of how narrow they made DCA's entry and that was in 2001. This would be larger than that obviously. Think a bigger version of Disneylands entry with a larger version of "town square" Halfway down Main Street the park can already be opening up to the lagoon/ world Showcase.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think it is for a supporting park (or as WDWers call it, a 1/2 day park ). And the novelty of a new park goes a long way.
DCA was only slightly larger when it opened.

Difference was that DCA continued to expand, this would be a landlocked 3rd Park with no ability to further expand. So its 9-12 attractions depending on each of the lands size and that would be it. No future additions unless they tore out one of the existing attractions. So it would open and be done, stagnate from the get go.

That is why I never bought into this 3rd gate idea, because it was always so far away and landlocked unto itself.

 

[mickEblu]

Difference was that DCA continued to expand, this would be a landlocked 3rd Park with no ability to further expand. So its 9-12 attractions depending on each of the lands size and that would be it. No future additions unless they tore out one of the existing attractions. So it would open and be done, stagnate from the get go.

That is why I never bought into this 3rd gate idea, because it was always so far away and landlocked unto itself.

Doesn't DHS have like 9 attractions? That park is nearly 40 years old.