News Disneyland to give Snow White’s Scary Adventures dark ride a major facelift in 2020

[lazyboy97o]

Sorry I just honestly feel like I’m Living on a different planet from some of the people here sometimes. Not only that I don’t think even the people that say some of these things believe this stuff is practical in real life. What married couple do you know that has had a conversation regarding if it’s ok to kiss each other while they sleep? And if it’s ok that I do it without the consent then why is it an issue? That’s the point I was getting at originally. It’s the context that matters.

Also your comment comes at a moment where I’m getting bombarded by multiple parties so nothing personal towards you.

You are assuming that people don’t ever get into arguments and don’t want to be around each other. That everyone is in a happy, mutually respectful relationship. But if you’re wife did have a problem with you kissing her would you respect that or respond dismissively and mockingly to the idea like you are doing right now?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well now we re getting to the crux of the matter aren’t we? People in 2021 trying to make up for all the sins of the past and going way too far in the process. Over correction and re writing history.

Where did I say anything about making up for anything or re-writing history? Rewriting history would be pretending that there were not issues in the past.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

Also your comment comes at a moment where I’m getting bombarded by multiple parties so nothing personal towards you.

It's almost like you're the only one here who believes what you do. Perhaps we're not the problem.

 

[Supreme Leader]

I like that the one that called people cry babies and snowflakes etc is the one that's most offended in this thread.

 

[truecoat]

I'm hoping they change it to the prince just shaking her violently to wake her up while yelling "WAKE UP!"

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Are you really surprised by Fox "News" falsely reporting or just being irresponsible with their reporting?

I'm surprised by how many different news sources have picked this up and run with it. It's so clear they're in it for the clicks, since the report itself is about as meaty as "Old Man Yells At Cloud".

Some of the headlines are downright incendiary, and completely mask that this is all in response to ONE person's review of the new ride. And that person offered more of a Critique than a Criticism.

If only the world took MY opinions of Disneyland Showscenes so seriously

 

[mickEblu]

I like that the one that called people cry babies and snowflakes etc is the one that's most offended in this thread.

Offended? Bewildered or confused maybe

 

[mickEblu]

It's almost like you're the only one here who believes what you do. Perhaps we're not the problem.

Ok well I’ll do some soul searching tonight and tell you what I come up with.

 

[mickEblu]

You are assuming that people don’t ever get into arguments and don’t want to be around each other. That everyone is in a happy, mutually respectful relationship. But if you’re wife did have a problem with you kissing her would you respect that or respond dismissively and mockingly to the idea like you are doing right now?

To be honest if my wife had a problem with that I probably wouldn’t be married to her in the first place. This is all funny though because I’m really not that romantic. I haven’t kissed my wife while she’s sleeping in years. We have a kid or two in between us now.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

I'm surprised by how many different news sources have picked this up and run with it. It's so clear they're in it for the clicks, since the report itself is about as meaty as "Old Man Yells At Cloud".

Some of the headlines are downright incendiary, and completely mask that this is all in response to ONE person's review of the new ride. And that person offered more of a Critique than a Criticism.

If only the world took MY opinions of Disneyland Showscenes so seriously

Amen... the clickbait is the media’s poison Apple to drive traffic around a nonsense “culture war” issue de jure. And judging by this forum, we’re all bobbing for apples today. Lol

 

[mickEblu]

Where did I say anything about making up for anything or re-writing history? Rewriting history would be pretending that there were not issues in the past.

I was referring to cancel culture in general. Not whatever your opinion is.

 

[Disney Analyst]

When I shared this… I really wanted it to be clear that consent, and discussing what consent is with your children is important.

But I also don’t think, based on the story this attraction is based on, that this kiss moment is really an issue of consent… at least not in the context of the real world.

But @raven24 100% nailed it when discussing the way woman are portrayed in these films and the paper you wrote on it.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Well, it's safe to say that Enchanted Wish is now in my Top 5 Attractions at DL.

 

[CaptinEO]

That's literally how consent works. Not even "day of," more "at the moment." Expressing interest or love for somebody is not the same as giving consent, and consent is not a lifetime pass lol.

Edit to add: I don't have any issue with the kiss scene within the context of the story/ride. Just pointing out some misconceptions about consent that seemed prevalent in the thread.

So how about Star Wars when Leia kisses Luke without a signed contract?

Or when Eric kisses Ariel without a verbal contract asking for permission?

How about all the times MINNIE KISSED MICKEY!

Or Pluto kissing Mickey AND Minnie!

Disney has a LOT to ban now

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

So how about Star Wars when Leia kisses Luke without a signed contract?

Or when Eric kisses Ariel without a verbal contract asking for permission?

How about all the times MINNIE KISSED MICKEY!

Or Pluto kissing Mickey AND Minnie!

Disney has a LOT to ban now

Let's turn this around, because this post is barely worth responding to.

What do YOU think consent is? When and why is it okay to kiss somebody without them telling you so? Why do you think that each of the examples you gave are NOT problematic?

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

I think the greater issue with the older Princess films is the weight of importance the princesses place on having a romantic interest.

Nowadays, the put more emphasis on independence as opposed to dependence, and rightfully so.

The sleeping kiss is a separate issue, but I think many of you are ballooning this for more than it’s probably worth. Not to say that the discussion shouldn’t be had, but it should be a discussion on the subject. Not personal attacks.

 

[mickEblu]

When I shared this… I really wanted it to be clear that consent, and discussing what consent is with your children is important.

But I also don’t think, based on the story this attraction is based on, that this kiss moment is really an issue of consent… at least not in the context of the real world.

But @raven24 100% nailed it when discussing the way woman are portrayed in these films and the paper you wrote on it.

I think you meant to say NOT really an issue of consent?

 

[Californian Elitist]

Sorry I just honestly feel like I’m Living on a different planet from some of the people here sometimes. Not only that I don’t think even the people that say some of these things believe this stuff is practical in real life. What married couple do you know that has had a conversation regarding if it’s ok to kiss each other while they sleep? And if it’s ok that I do it without the consent then why is it an issue? That’s the point I was getting at originally. It’s the context that matters.

Also your comment comes at a moment where I’m getting bombarded by multiple parties so nothing personal towards you.

It’s okay!

I understand where you’re coming from. Let’s be honest, how many couples, married or not, have conversations about kissing during sleep, especially light pecks on the cheek? Very little, I would assume. It’s perfectly normal to kiss any loved one while they’re sleeping. But it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily consensual. It also doesn’t necessarily means it’s bad. My ex used to kiss me out of nowhere and without warning. That wasn’t consensual, but it also didn’t bother me at all.

A friend of mine one day said that she hated being touched, including being touchy with her partner, and hated hugs. I realized I had taken it upon myself to hug her every chance I got without ever considering that she didn’t want to be hugged. I assumed. I felt terrible and apologized to her because I had unknowingly made her uncomfortable multiple times. So now, unless I know the person wants a hug, I try to remember to ask before giving someone a hug.

Consent isn’t black and white. I think it’s an interesting topic of discussion. I hope I didn’t come off rude. I consider you a friend and I genuinely enjoy interacting with you here.

 

[tpac24]

When I shared this… I really wanted it to be clear that consent, and discussing what consent is with your children is important.

But I also don’t think, based on the story this attraction is based on, that this kiss moment is really an issue of consent… at least not in the context of the real world.

But @raven24 100% nailed it when discussing the way woman are portrayed in these films and the paper you wrote on it.

Average people don't use the final scene of Snow Whites ride as an example of non consent when having this discussion with their children.

 

[Mac Tonight]