News Disneyland Resort in California plans to begin phased reopening July 9

Tamandua

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Well, New York killed everyone up front, so they got that going for them.

Everything you posted is nonsense. Stop it.
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New York would have to be doing well now because so many people were infected early on. In early April, something like 21% of people tested for antibodies in NYC were positive. I do find it ironic that NYC is so desperate to get their wealthy residents back for tax purposes that they are arguing that covid is under control enough for people to come back, but not enough for life to go back to normal... Or anything close to that.
 

MisterPenguin

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New York would have to be doing well now because so many people were infected early on. In early April, something like 21% of people tested for antibodies in NYC were positive. I do find it ironic that NYC is so desperate to get their wealthy residents back for tax purposes that they are arguing that covid is under control enough for people to come back, but not enough for life to go back to normal... Or anything close to that.

21% is far from herd immunity. Carelessness could lead immediately back to huge spikes.

If there really are a significant number of people abandoning NYC because of the virus, the only safe havens are really overseas. And many of them are experiencing mini-spikes while trying to be fully open.
 

Tamandua

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21% is far from herd immunity. Carelessness could lead immediately back to huge spikes.

If there really are a significant number of people abandoning NYC because of the virus, the only safe havens are really overseas. And many of them are experiencing mini-spikes while trying to be fully open.

21% almost 5 months ago. I don't know what the number would be now as they seem to have stopped bothering with antibody studies, but I would imagine it's much closer to herd immunity now.

Wealthy New Yorkers basically left NYC for their vacation homes where things were less severe. NYC has an almost 4% income tax rate (and almost 9% state income tax) that these people will be eligible to skip because they're going to spend more than half the year living elsewhere. That's why New York is playing the balancing act of "it's safe to come back" but not "safe enough to open" to try to get these people back in the city before they hit that 6 month mark and the city (and state) lose one of their biggest sources of income. If a wealthy NYer decides to spend 7 months living in Florida where there are spikes but nothing as severe as New York, they're saving almost 13% of their income.
 

Askimosita

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21% is far from herd immunity. Carelessness could lead immediately back to huge spikes.

If there really are a significant number of people abandoning NYC because of the virus, the only safe havens are really overseas. And many of them are experiencing mini-spikes while trying to be fully open.

There are multiple types of immunity, and humoral is only one. This is the one where antibodies are a factor. The other big one is T cell mediated. Recent studies over COVID19 show that twice as many people have T-cell mediated cell immunity than those with a positive antibody test. That’s huge. And this was found in not just symptomatic patients, but asymptomatic that were exposed as well. And the body has a memory so it will retain this immunity.

If anyone wants me to delve into this I will, but for all thoughts and purposes, this is a very good and hopeful thing.
 

MansionButler84

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21% is far from herd immunity. Carelessness could lead immediately back to huge spikes.

If there really are a significant number of people abandoning NYC because of the virus, the only safe havens are really overseas. And many of them are experiencing mini-spikes while trying to be fully open.
I live in CT. They’re coming here. Great time to sell your house! Of course, if NYC has a 2nd wave, it’ll be here 5 min later.
 

Tamandua

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There are multiple types of immunity, and humoral is only one. This is the one where antibodies are a factor. The other big one is T cell mediated. Recent studies over COVID19 show that twice as many people have T-cell mediated cell immunity than those with a positive antibody test. That’s huge. And this was found in not just symptomatic patients, but asymptomatic that were exposed as well. And the body has a memory so it will retain this immunity.

If anyone wants me to delve into this I will, but for all thoughts and purposes, this is a very good and hopeful thing.

Interesting. Would this kind of immunity be developed by the body after being infected? I'm guessing these cases wouldn't show up in antibody tests?
 

MansionButler84

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Interesting. Would this kind of immunity be developed by the body after being infected? I'm guessing these cases wouldn't show up in antibody tests?
It wouldn’t, but T Cell-mediated immunity isn’t as effective as B Cell-mediated (cells that make antibodies).

Never heard of coronavirus immunity that lasts a lifetime, though. We are gonna need that vaccine.
 

Tamandua

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It wouldn’t, but T Cell-mediated immunity isn’t as effective as B Cell-mediated (cells that make antibodies).

Never heard of coronavirus immunity that lasts a lifetime, though. We are gonna need that vaccine.

Well now I'm wondering if we actually had covid despite testing negative for antibodies.
 

mickEblu

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Well now I'm wondering if we actually had covid despite testing negative for antibodies.

Call me crazy but I question all of the science as science always evolves and what we think is true today may not be true 20 years from now. So if the weatherman can be wrong about the forecast in 3 days than I just can’t 100% blindly buy into how true or effective any science or studies are.
 

Askimosita

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Call me crazy but I question all of the science as science always evolves and what we think is true today may not be true 20 years from now. So if the weatherman can be wrong about the forecast in 3 days than I just can’t 100% blindly buy into how true or effective any science or studies are.

As a scientist, this is absolutely valid. I mean, science is observing the world and comparing it to established “fact” (which may change given said study) and coming up with theories to answer the questions of “how” and “why”. We once believed that the world was flat, that blood letting was successful in treating disease, and phrenology was accurate in describing a person’s personality. It doesn’t help that, in a politically divided country, research institutes or “experts” are prone to political bias, giving rise to further doubt in the population... anywho....

However, there are things that have such concrete evidence behind them that they are now used as standards to compare other things. In the case of COVID19, we know how the immune system works (of course, new finding can expand upon this), how coronviruses look like and typically operate. We know how to do DNA sequences, we know that vaccines are effective and why. We know how respiratory illnesses are spread. Etc etc etc.

There are often anomalies that pop up, but I think the best thing to do is always look at peer reviewed research articles, see their studies, see their consensus/ conclusion. If multiple articles come to the same conclusion with different populations, then personally, I find it promising. Getting anything from a secondary or tertiary article comes with room for adding biases. And yes, these articles can twist data to fit a bias. If you want to see concrete numbers and data, go straight to the source. I joke that I am such a skeptic because I need to see it to believe it. I always go to the source, and recommend that for anyone else that questions anything as well.
 

Askimosita

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Did anyone else sign up for the Disneyland Enhanced Magical experience for limited edition merchandise? Lol it’ll be next week at the old ESPN zone.
 

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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Did anyone else sign up for the Disneyland Enhanced Magical experience for limited edition merchandise? Lol it’ll be next week at the old ESPN zone.

From what I saw it looked like exclusively a pin selling event, right? I wasn’t sure what it actually was from the description.
 
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