'Disneyland feels classist now' - article LA Times

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
How did you feel when you were leaving the park at the end of the day and some people turned left to go stay in their Theme Park View room at Grand Cal while others got in their cars to drive to the Travelodge Inn & Suites Anaheim.
There’s a comparison fail I bet you thought was really clever?

Those people are never in that room…they don’t know you’re in…and probably don’t even know it exists cause they don’t hang out here.

Strike on that one…now watch out for the splitter
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Agree with your comments. Sitting in the standby line watching HORDES of people march past you who have paid $20-30PP for the privilege of getting on the ride faster feels pretty classist to me. Seriously, if a family of four pays $20 to get on all available marquis attractions they've paid additional hundreds to do it. The alternative is to languish in standby lines all day long and in all likelihood, not get to ride what you really want.

To me this highlights that it’s not classist, if hordes of guests are using it it’s too accessible to the average joe.

Classist is the VIP tours catering to the wealthy, no one cares about those though because so few people use them. Classist is also Universal’s system which is catered to the wealthy, no one cares about that either because so few use it.

I wish Genie was classist, then I wouldn’t be stuck in line watching thousands of average joes passing me while I’m stuck in standby.
 

Club Cooloholic

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Agree with the argument that you get a better experience if you buy the extras but disagree with the conclusion, it doesn’t feel classist, it feels like nickel and diming.

The classist aspect has always existed in places like Club 33 and 1901, Genie+ doesn’t even come close to classism though imho.
Eh, for a family of 4 buying genie everyday is adding hundreds to the vacation bill. I have bought it, but not for every day and never lightening lane.
Many of us have felt the sting of waiting in standby for an hour, you finally get close to the front look over and see the Genie line is queued up and you're about to get past that attentant where the lines meet and suddently the castmember tells you to hold up, as they let 20 genie riders go ahead of you. Is it a big deal, no but as the day goes on and these little things happen over and over it can take away from the day for some people, especially if you only have a very limited vacation. I have been enough that I can say I am pretty chill about not doing everything, but still hate it when I just miss the cutoff line before the genie group gets in.
 

DisneyHead123

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It is if you're good at it, at least in California and Magic Kingdom.
I don’t agree, but then, I also travel in a huge group of extended family members so I’m sure that makes a difference when we’re looking for large group reservations. For us, we could do what we wanted by utilizing Early Mornings In Fantasyland + FastPass+. Genie+ has been an HUGE downgrade. Others mileage no doubt varies though.

What queuing system doesn't give an advantage to people who wake up early? If you wake up to "get in line" while other people are still in bed, you're going to be able to do more. Doesn't matter if you're getting in a virtual line from your phone or physically walking to the park.
A VIP tour doesn’t. So yes, at that level, I think you can talk class differences. $20-30 for a kinda crappy system that gives you a chance to make ride reservations? Meh. Not exactly Skid Row vs. Easy Street in terms of relative difference.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
To some extent I agree with you, and to some extent I agree with the article.

Easter week we had 9G+ one day and 10 G+ another day using it. Granted the 9 was an Epcot day, and many of the 9 were rides like Imagination. (Most days they do not have a wait; Easter week they did.) It took an hour to ride GoG with a BG that day. The 10G+ day was in MK, plus Tron with a BG, and 4 standby attractions. Both days we took a 2-hour afternoon break. A plus of G+ is the ability to stack passes while taking an afternoon break.

We did sacrifice morning sleep.

People who did not have G+ that week though, well, IMO their experience looked pretty miserable much of the day. at 8:45am, before Epcot was fully open, FEA had a 50minute wait. It was posted as 70, but we rode it standby and waited the full 50. At 8:45 Remy was posted as 120. We walked through the area, and if it wasn't actually 120, it was still a pretty miserable wait.

Our AK day was even worse. At 9am, we had a G+ pass for the safari. The standby queue was backed up past Tusker, all the way back to the bridge. It was pretty crazy. EE was down. Anyone without G+ likely spent 60-90minutes in each queue.

They paid almost as much as we did, because our ticket, food, and hotel prices were the same- just the extra for G+.

Oh, it also was terrible that WDW jacked the price to $35 without warning. One day it was $29, the next - BAM- $35. That's terrible policy.
When we used Genie+ everything decent was full by midday anyways so everyone was on equal footing by afternoon (unless they’d made an afternoon reservation in the morning but been in lines much of the morning.) That’s been several months ago though so maybe things have changed.
 

Goofyernmost

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How did you feel when you were leaving the park at the end of the day and some people turned left to go stay in their Theme Park View room at Grand Cal while others got in their cars to drive to the Travelodge Inn & Suites Anaheim.
Not sure that is a good example, but I know that I always felt a little smug because the massive amount of money I was saving just to sleep always made me smile and still does. If individuals decide that spending that much is important to their ego, then by all means do it. There isn't any possible way that I could care less. I used those locations as rest stops, exactly the same thing for a lot less. My enjoyment was the park(s). That might have been because I couldn't afford it, but mainly because it made me feel smarter.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
These articles always baffle me, AMERICA is built on a "class" system. If you have money your entire life experiences are different. One has
  1. Better Healthcare
  2. Better housing
  3. Access to Better schooling
  4. Access to Better food
  5. Access to better transportation
Now as always I state that I'm a young disneyphile, I didn't go during what I call was the "golden" age so I can't recall this era where everyone got the same perks.

So I guess my question is, how is this a revelation??
Lol I want to know where the author vacations where first class guest are not granted a different experience.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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When we used Genie+ everything decent was full by midday anyways so everyone was on equal footing by afternoon (unless they’d made an afternoon reservation in the morning but been in lines much of the morning.) That’s been several months ago though so maybe things have changed.
In my limited experience using G+, I would say the experience varies some from day to day, and park to park. In HS, absolutely. Half the G+ passes offered are useless or nearly useless. To some extent that's also true of AK and Epcot. By mid-day, it is time to stack passes in MK.

When it comes to the value of G+, much depends on the return timing of one's first pass of the day, what ride it is, and how early you get in the park.

Time is $, and IMO the relative value of our time changes throughout the day.

The first park hour=$$$$. The next 2-3 hours=$$$. At 11am until about 5pm, park crowds are at peak level. G+ return times push further and further out, good passes dry-up. So 11am is worth more than 1pm, but 3-6pm = $. After 6pm time often becomes more valuable, but not always.

There is quite a bit of variability though in G+ availability. Passes go quickly some days, and last much longer on other days. It is often just luck as to what pass we draw.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
These articles always baffle me, AMERICA is built on a "class" system. If you have money your entire life experiences are different. One has
  1. Better Healthcare
  2. Better housing
  3. Access to Better schooling
  4. Access to Better food
  5. Access to better transportation
Now as always I state that I'm a young disneyphile, I didn't go during what I call was the "golden" age so I can't recall this era where everyone got the same perks.

So I guess my question is, how is this a revelation??
Lol I want to know where the author vacations where first class guest are not granted a different experience.
I would venture to say the differences you mention are highly visible in some places, and less visible in other locations.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
These articles always baffle me, AMERICA is built on a "class" system. If you have money your entire life experiences are different. One has
  1. Better Healthcare
  2. Better housing
  3. Access to Better schooling
  4. Access to Better food
  5. Access to better transportation
Now as always I state that I'm a young disneyphile, I didn't go during what I call was the "golden" age so I can't recall this era where everyone got the same perks.

So I guess my question is, how is this a revelation??
Lol I want to know where the author vacations where first class guest are not granted a different experience.

Disney itself is a shining example of classism, they are priced out of reach for a large portion of the population. Compare Six Flags average guest to Disneys average guest, or Carnival cruises average guest to DCLs average guest... classism on display.

If you aren’t at least middle class you’ll likely never experience a Disney park.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
Disney itself is a shining example of classism, they are priced out of reach for a large portion of the population. Compare Six Flags average guest to Disneys average guest, or Carnival cruises average guest to DCLs average guest... classism on display.

If you aren’t at least middle class you’ll likely never experience a Disney park.
Let me ask though is that a new phenomenon?? My family absolutely could not afford to fly from NYC to Disneyland when I was younger (lol i pre-date wdw) and our first trip to wdw was really a side road trip from visiting grandma in Charleston SC . Now I totally believe that the rate of increase on costs is way beyond real world, but there seems to be this narrative here that Disney was cheap and anybody who wanted to go, could do so.
 

Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
These articles always baffle me, AMERICA is built on a "class" system. If you have money your entire life experiences are different. One has
  1. Better Healthcare
  2. Better housing
  3. Access to Better schooling
  4. Access to Better food
  5. Access to better transportation
Now as always I state that I'm a young disneyphile, I didn't go during what I call was the "golden" age so I can't recall this era where everyone got the same perks.

So I guess my question is, how is this a revelation??
Lol I want to know where the author vacations where first class guest are not granted a different experience.
I think the key words in the article title are "feels" and "now." The perks that have been either eliminated or put behind a paywall are no longer available to people who cannot afford to pay the extra cost. And it's wrong.

My family hasn't gone back to either coast's Disney parks since 2019 for a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest ones is just cost. And another one is quality of the product. I don't see LL or G+ as passable replacements for the original Fastpass. My family frequently used Evening Extra Magic Hours, which are now only available if you stay in Deluxe resorts that my family can't afford. Our transportation to/from the airport is now on our own dime, which doesn't work so well for a large group like my family.

Sure, there have always been perks for the rich at the parks. But there were also perks for middle-class folks too. And now, my niece and nephews won't grow up at the parks like I did. And I miss going there, too.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
Just to, you know, make sure everyone checks their privilege... if you have EVER been to a Disney park, you are most likely a "have" and not a "have not".

Unless maybe you won the trip, or somebody took you free as a guest.

To what degree you are a "have" is open to debate.

This all sounds to me like people in the business class seats, complaining about those in First class, all in front of the economy class peeps.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Let me ask though is that a new phenomenon?? My family absolutely could not afford to fly from NYC to Disneyland when I was younger (lol i pre-date wdw) and our first trip to wdw was really a side road trip from visiting grandma in Charleston SC . Now I totally believe that the rate of increase on costs is way beyond real world, but there seems to be this narrative here that Disney was cheap and anybody who wanted to go, could do so.

No, I think it’s been that way for decades, my parents couldn’t afford a trip to DL or WDW either, not without going into debt anyway which wasn’t something most people did back then for a vacation, my first trip was a present to myself for my 40th Birthday.
 

KeithVH

Well-Known Member
These articles always baffle me, AMERICA is built on a "class" system. If you have money your entire life experiences are different. One has
  1. Better Healthcare
  2. Better housing
  3. Access to Better schooling
  4. Access to Better food
  5. Access to better transportation
Now as always I state that I'm a young disneyphile, I didn't go during what I call was the "golden" age so I can't recall this era where everyone got the same perks.

So I guess my question is, how is this a revelation??
Lol I want to know where the author vacations where first class guest are not granted a different experience.
Yeah, all the other countries in the world don't have this problem. If only America were like them, we wouldn't have these problems.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
Yeah, all the other countries in the world don't have this problem. If only America were like them, we wouldn't have these problems.
I didn't mean to infer that America was the only country with these issues. The author seems somehow "shocked" as if this is some anomaly.
The title itself infers that this is some new thing.
 
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The Empress Lilly

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Original Poster
Lots of good points that have already been brought up other times. Still, good points.

Why wasn’t this posted in the DL forum?
Yes, the article is about DL, I doubted a bit where to share it. But the guest experience at both coasts suffers similarly from the same aggressive monetisation of both resorts.


If I had to summarise the article's grievances: Magic Kingdoms were places where everybody was made to feel special, not about aggressively rubbing in that some are more special than others.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
Yes, the article is about DL, I doubted a bit where to share it. But the guest experience at both coasts suffers similarly from the same aggressive monetisation of both resorts.


If I had to summarise the article's grievances: Magic Kingdoms were places where everybody was made to feel special, not about aggressively rubbing in that some are more special than others.
I wonder Empress how much this truly affects (lol or is it effects) guest experiences. I mean the basic problem is overcrowding, no doubt about it but today's travelers and visitors are pretty savvy. pretty much all types of travel are now segregate according to money spent.

Airlines absolutely are from the time you purchase your ticket. You can pre board for an extra fee, pick your favorite seat, for an extra fee and of course now they have the "premium economy" lol.
Movie theaters near me have now categorized the seats, we have "premium seating" middle rows of the theater with supposedly extra leg room. extra fee.

My annoyance comes from the fact, all these things don't remotely solve the problem, which of course too many folks and not enough people eating attractions.
 

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