Phroobar
Well-Known Member
Have parades start at opposite ends at the same time.
IT can only happen at Disneyland.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Disneyland Fantasmic Dragon Engulfed in Flames
- Thread starter SplashJacket
- Start date
IT can only happen at Disneyland.
I haven’t seen Fantasmic for probably 15 years. Visited once in that time, last year before Fantasmic came back. I’d happily watch without the dragon on my next trip later this year.
Consumer
Well-Known Member
The best parts of Fantasmic have always been the Peter Pan segment and the dragon. Without either, the show does not justify closing Rivers of America and crowding New Orleans Square.
Twilight_Roxas
Well-Known Member
I just realized that Disney still has this Maleficent dragon from the former Tokyo Disneysea Fantasmic. They could use this for Fantasmic till a new dragon is made.
Squishy
Well-Known Member
Pretty sure Paris bought the barges so it would depend on if they're going to be using the dragon for whatever show they're planning.
Edit: The rumor says apparently the dragon wasn't part of the purchase so that's interesting.
Last edited:
Nland316
Well-Known Member
I think with the amount of new infrastructure it’d take to use this dragon over here, it’s highly unlikely unless it were to be used as the new permanent one.
I honestly don’t mind Fantasmic being in b-mode while we wait for a new dragon, as long as it’s either equivalent or better than Murphy.
TheCoasterNerd
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I think that one'd be better tbh, it's bigger and has more fire.
Do they? I would presume it’s been scrapped now. Tokyo won’t keep show elements around for the sake of it.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
Hot take (Too soon?)
I know Fantasmic! is a popular show and I say this as someone who enjoys it as well, but what if after 30 years it was time to take this opportunity to create a new show on the riverfront?
The only drawback is that I don't quite trust current imagineering to put something together that is equally good, if not better.
I know Fantasmic! is a popular show and I say this as someone who enjoys it as well, but what if after 30 years it was time to take this opportunity to create a new show on the riverfront?
The only drawback is that I don't quite trust current imagineering to put something together that is equally good, if not better.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I mean... isn't that what we already got in the past two revamps of the show? Significant replacement of segments and show pieces.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I'm talking about a NEW show. New name, new theme, new everything.
flynnibus
Premium Member
current WDI would like to offer "Disneyland Forever"
SuddenStorm
Well-Known Member
They did this, back in 2017.
And yes, the 2017 show wasn't as good as what came before. It was technically impressive but the actual show fell short.
TTA94
Well-Known Member
Would be great to have Paint The Night return or MSEP this summer.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
Again, I'm talking about a whole new show, not a changed or revamped Fantasmic.
PiratesMansion
Well-Known Member
As someone who never entirely got Fantasmic in any iteration...the impression I get is that most DL visitors are not ready to give up the show. And if that replacement wasn't 150% perfect and mindblowing, Fantasmic would turn into MSEP 2.0.
SuddenStorm
Well-Known Member
I still feel like this is sort of what happened when they redid it in 2017. Every fan of the original show I know loathes the new version.
I'll never forget when it came back a year or so ago, I was there there Memorial Day the weekend it reopened.
The viewing area was so empty they let all of the standby viewing in the back go to the front.
This would have been unheard of on a holiday with the original show.
Friends that work alongside that half of the park have said the viewing area feels less busy than the original show as well.
This is all anecdotal of course, but is food for thought. Disney needs to be careful when messing with beloved shows and attractions.
PiratesMansion
Well-Known Member
And I still feel like most people don't feel the change from 1.0 to 2.0 as strongly as you do. Much in the same way that the changes to, say, Incredicoaster, Soarin', and the Pirates auction scene seem to bother me more than they do many others. What for me is a significant change (or for you, in the case of Fantasmic) is basically a shrug for huge numbers of people, not all of them casual or new park fans.
I think the fact that it was Memorial Day, and not Memorial Day weekend, is also part of the story. People have to get back to work the next day, etc and thus are less likely to stick around for Fantasmic than they would have been on either of the two previous days. The show was consistently packed every night I was there in the summer. It can't just be that everyone at the parks for those five days were just idiot tourists. IF there was a dramatic, negative difference between perceptions of the show, Disney would theoretically retool it, seeing as their actions consistently demonstrate that they see value in keeping Fantasmic around. I don't think the park will ever 100% revert from 2.0 to 1.0, nor would I want them to (I don't miss, say, the Pinocchio "No Strings" sequence, and I imagine few do). But who knows-now that the dragon is 101 for the forseeable future, they might seize the opportunity to make some changes-or even change back, in some cases.
SuddenStorm
Well-Known Member
While I'm not a DCA fan, I lament the change from California to World, and find the theming over at Pixar Pier to be offensively bad. And don't get me started on the new auction scene... which is all the worse because it eliminated Walt era Disney, a Marc Davis gag, and Paul Frees dialogue. That change took Pirates from a 'must ride' to a 'eh if the group wants to' for me, even with the huge historical importance of the attraction. I just get too irritated at it's current state.
The rumor going around entertainment was that they'd revert back to the original show (albeit with the 2017 level effects) when the show returned after it's covid hiatus- and of course, that's not what happened.
A senior manager did share back in 2019 that the new show scores higher on guest surveys than the '92 iteration. When I enjoyed a brief chat with Peterson he is cognizant (I'm paraphrasing a brief conversation from 4 years ago, so please don't take this as an exact quote) of the fact many newer offerings are dazzling but lack soul (I mentioned Fantasmic), and that the Star Wars fireworks he did for Star Wars Night received top scores despite not having projections because they had 'soul'- and that's something they're working on balancing. It looks like they did wonderfully with Wondrous Journeys, so it does make me optimistic that should the show get retooled under his supervision, the changes would be positive.