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News Disneyland cancels Annual Pass program
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SamusAranX
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Wow, just wow. Too many "poors"? Think you may wanna rephrase that?
mickEblu
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I don’t see them offering this. If anything, the other way around. Pay to go to DCA but not Disneyland.
CaptinEO
Well-Known Member
You're probably right. They know they have trouble driving traffic to California Adventure so have to make people pay for it with their Disneyland Passes.
Costco a few years back offered a California Adventure only AP but that program failed miserably.
mickEblu
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Oh that’s right. Did it ? So people had no interest in going to DCA only, not surprising. Was it priced right?
Travel Junkie
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The ultimate goal of My Magic +/Next Gen at WDW was to become uber efficient. It was sold to the exec team as a way to trim costs. A guest's day was planned out and so they would know exactly how many guests would enter a day and what they planned on doing. After knowing all of this information and removing some of the uncertainty, they could trim off the fat so to speak.
Even pre pandemic Touring Plans was reporting on the effects. Certain rides were running at way under capacity at WDW. The result was that going on a slow day vs a really crowded day mattered less in terms of attraction wait times. WDW was cutting staff on what they knew would be slow days to the point that wait times on really low attended days was practically the same as a really crowded day.
If Disneyland adopts a similar standard, I doubt we will see the good ol days of low wait times. Less crowded walkways for sure. However, you will probably still have to wait a long time to get on rides.
mickEblu
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Makes sense. I certainly remember more than a few times parking at DLR on a day with low crowds only to wait longer in the security line than I did on a slammed day. If they aren’t interested in staffing accordingly to ensure a good guest experience then crowds matter a lot less and may actually make more sense to go on weekends and holidays when you know they will be staffed appropriately, be open longer and offer more entertainment.
With that said, even less crowded walkways would be nice.
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el_super
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Did it? Maybe it worked TOO well...
Brad Bishop
Well-Known Member
Maybe.
Passholders are "fillers", meaning, Disney (at least at WDW - I know there's a whole different thing happening at DL) doesn't really value you except when they need you to fill the park.
I'd guess two things have happened:
1) The population has reached a point to where DL is going to be filled everyday. Since 1955, the population has grown quite a bit. They're not making any more Disneylands (or WDWs), at least in the USA. In the USA it'd be far too much of a hassle with government regulations and protestors. They may have reached the point where demand far outweighs supply so that they no longer need APers and can charge people, multiple times per day, to visit DL. People will still line up and scream, "TAKE MY MONEY!"
2) I bet the Bobs don't like APers because they see it like a soda fountain. Why are we letting these guys go back to the soda fountain again and again when we could be charging them $7.50 for another drink? (going back to an earlier post where I mentioned that I don't think the Bobs like anything on the shelf that isn't immediately/directly paid for - it's just not how they think).
ppete1975
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i think it was intentional to stir things up
ppete1975
Well-Known Member
It will come back but different. My opinion.. they are trying to remove the every day disney people (vloggers, instagramers) who basically go every day, or the ebayers that go and buy up everything to put on ebay or just wait till you order from their online shop and go to the park and pick it up. They also know that due to the design of the park when the park is reopened, the next year it might hit capacity as we have gone from a "some day" society to a... "that time may never come" due to the lockdowns and just the entire covid situation.
I figure it will come back but will be limited in amount of days per year or per quadrant. Most people 50 days is plenty (almost once a week), where it will cut down on the instagram, youtube, ebay crowds.
I figure it will come back but will be limited in amount of days per year or per quadrant. Most people 50 days is plenty (almost once a week), where it will cut down on the instagram, youtube, ebay crowds.
ppete1975
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awww they might have to get real jobs... i feel bad for them
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Just an FYI, they have "real" jobs. She is a nurse and he was doing something in Hollywood (production assistant or some such postion) I believe.
I know that a bunch of people here have disdain and hate on Disney Vloggers for some weird reason, we shouldn't fault someone who try to turn their passion into a career. Most Vloggers do it as a side business, very few actually quit their daily jobs to do it full time. Those that do are actually small business owners, the backbone of this country.
Also if there wasn't a demand for their content they wouldn't exist in the first place.
flynnibus
Premium Member
When dca opened... it was separate admission. That was part of the opening flop.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I still am gambling that disney won’t charge per admission... they want those bodies filling the parks. They will just have much more strict controls on how many and when.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
True but it wasn’t the park it is today.
We were talking about possible DCA only APs. Day tickets and park hoppers to go to both parks would still be available in this hypothetical scenario.
el_super
Well-Known Member
Sort of. You're right to say that the demand has outstripped the supply, but the problem with Disneyland is, without the AP community, that demand would instantly evaporate. Classic Catch-22.
Disneyland has always been a locals oriented park, going back to the 1950s. Keeping the local audience coming is still very important and they've run locals oriented discounts for as long as they've had APs. That's why everyone is pretty sure some alternative is coming, and whatever alternative comes, will still make it easier/cheaper to access the park than just buying a one-day ticket at the gate.
The other side of the coin is: if you continually offer discounted admissions, you condition the audience into thinking that access should be nearly free (like people going every week and basically paying $10 a visit). That conditioning has to end, and that's where they are taking the opportunity to end the current program. Admission can't be basically free, and there's no reason to believe people should be allotted a hundred visits a year or more, in any circumstance.
I do think the vloggers and Instagrammers (at least the most popular ones) will be fine. Disney will find a way to keep them happy with free parties and events.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Your descriptions of APs sound more like disneyworld than Disneyland. In wdw - beyond vacation club - they really are fillers...in California it’s a much larger chunk of core audience.
But as Dylan sings: “the times...they are a changin’”
ProjectXBlog
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if i had a shilling for every chimney-sooted street urchin begging to shine my shoes by space mountain...