Disney wants to invest $1 billion at Disneyland

[TP2000]

The fireworks can still go off. That's obviously part of how they're planning the expansion. It's not an insurmountable problem.

Just put the part of the land that extends north of the train tracks in a big warehouse show building, a la' Pirates or Indy or Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo. Problem solved, and fireworks are still at 9:30.

 

[TP2000]

Here's the graphic from the Register on where things might go, and where they might not go.

 

[englanddg]

"infographics"

Back in my day we called them "magazine pages"

 

[flynnibus]

Just put the part of the land that extends north of the train tracks in a big warehouse show building, a la' Pirates or Indy or Mermaid Lagoon in Tokyo. Problem solved, and fireworks are still at 9:30.

Sure.. but that

1) greatly limits what you can do
2) $$$ to both build and operat
3) You are talking an area over 120k square feet.. almost 2.8 acres for just toontown itself. Show building vs enclosing entire guest areas is a big deal.

For comparison sake... IASW = ~55k sqft POTC = ~65k sqft

Impossible, of course not.. Likely for modern Disney? Rly? Meanwhile... over in the woods... we have a grossly underutilized theater, a rental pavilion, and nearly 50% more space. Sure some of that area has the same fallout restrictions... but none of this is perfect. To me the biggest push would be maybe looking to get RID of toontown (now a neutered step child).. and maybe wanting to do something like repurpose Roger Rabit into something else. That I could see tipping the scales...

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Sure.. but that

1) greatly limits what you can do
2) $$$ to both build and operat
3) You are talking an area over 120k square feet.. almost 2.8 acres for just toontown itself. Show building vs enclosing entire guest areas is a big deal.

For comparison sake... IASW = ~55k sqft POTC = ~65k sqft

Impossible, of course not.. Likely for modern Disney? Rly? Meanwhile... over in the woods... we have a grossly underutilized theater, a rental pavilion, and nearly 50% more space. Sure some of that area has the same fallout restrictions... but none of this is perfect. To me the biggest push would be maybe looking to get RID of toontown (now a neutered step child).. and maybe wanting to do something like repurpose Roger Rabit into something else. That I could see tipping the scales...

Since this is Iger's passion project, they have been given much more carte blanche than on other recent domestic projects. The project shifted to Toontown/backstage because taking over Tomorrowland wasn't enough space for what have become more ambitious plans. Backstage services are already being relocated off-site from the buildings surrounding Toontown. The ranch is likely to be part of the expansion as well, but the Fantasyland Theater will remain - it's a high capacity offering that runs a big, relatively new and expensive show daily.

It's unlike modern Disney, for sure, but nonetheless, it's the current plan. I, for one, hope it doesn't change - I'd rather they go all out and kick Toontown to the curb than half- it in Tomorrowland.

 

[flynnibus]

Since this is Iger's passion project, they have been given much more carte blanche than on other recent domestic projects. The project shifted to Toontown/backstage because taking over Tomorrowland wasn't enough space for what have become more ambitious plans. Backstage services are already being relocated off-site from the buildings surrounding Toontown. The ranch is likely to be part of the expansion as well, but the Fantasyland Theater will remain - it's a high capacity offering that runs a big, relatively new and expensive show daily.

It's unlike modern Disney, for sure, but nonetheless, it's the current plan. I, for one, hope it doesn't change - I'd rather they go all out and kick Toontown to the curb than half-*** it in Tomorrowland.

Thanks.. I'm certainly in a 'wait and see' pattern. Disney has already spent all their free passes with me.

 

[TP2000]

Thanks.. I'm certainly in a 'wait and see' pattern. Disney has already spent all their free passes with me.

Don't worry, I'm right there with you on the wait and see thing. But with Cars Land as a point of reference, I'm more ready to believe than I would have been five years ago.

But my point is that it's entirely possible to use the Toontown area as an indoor space and never have to worry about fireworks again. Or rain. Or anything. They can create their own indoor world and control environment and lighting and aesthetics entirely.

I don't think it's happened on this forum, but in other forums you've got people who claim the physical boundaries of Disneyland are now forever set in stone because there's a break room with two Coke machines on the other side of the wall. Some folks just can't imagine that Disney could tear down 10 or 20 year old buildings and relocate support facilities across the street or across town or up to Fullerton.

 

[flynnibus]

I don't think it's happened on this forum, but in other forums you've got people who claim the physical boundaries of Disneyland are now forever set in stone because there's a break room with two Coke machines on the other side of the wall. Some folks just can't imagine that Disney could tear down 10 or 20 year old buildings and relocate support facilities across the street or across town or up to Fullerton.

Yeah... the cutting irony is how Disney used to do the impossible... now everyone expects them to live within these tiny constraints. Hey Disney.. are you listening?? Or are you deaf from stuffing your head in the cash register.

When I read you can actually pay $40 to reserve a pair of chairs at Typhoon Lagoon... I just don't know people keep trucking along this path of Disney is the best! Our expectations of people, reporting, entertainment, etc are just in the toilet.

 

[TP2000]

Disney just got its way.

After an 8+ hour city council meeting that went until just after 1AM, and included pretty much every nut in Anaheim making a public comment and even a crazy lady who drove down from Mammoth Lakes to remind us that there's a drought and tourists take a lot of showers, they finally voted. Disneyland Resort President Michael Colglazier was in the chamber audience throughout the entire thing and spoke several times, staying for the vote at 1AM.

And the tax measure passed. Mayor Tait voted against it, and he's not happy that it passed.

So what that means is Disney now commits to spending 1 Billion dollars at the two Disneyland Resort parks, and in return Anaheim can't tax admission tickets for the next 30 years. If Disney spends an additional 500 Million on park expansion before 2024, the tax moratorium is extended an additional 15 years.

There was a great deal of contentious debate all night long from Anaheim residents, so I would expect Disney to make a clear announcement about Disneyland Resort expansion next month at D23 Expo, if only to make some peace with some of the cranky neighbors.

Many of the anti-Disney comments came from clearly disturbed or delusional people however, and there was a really surprising pro-Disney majority that spoke in favor of it, including union leaders, business leaders, non-profits that benefit from Disney's charity, and local residents.

But still, Disney pretty much has to say something at D23 Expo now.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I forgot the council was yesterday. Not surprised at all about the outcome.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Disney just got its way.

After an 8+ hour city council meeting that went until just after 1AM, and included pretty much every nut in Anaheim making a public comment and even a crazy lady who drove down from Mammoth Lakes to remind us that there's a drought and tourists take a lot of showers, they finally voted. Disneyland Resort President Michael Colglazier was in the chamber audience throughout the entire thing and spoke several times, staying for the vote at 1AM.

And the tax measure passed. Mayor Tait voted against it, and he's not happy that it passed.

So what that means is Disney now commits to spending 1 Billion dollars at the two Disneyland Resort parks, and in return Anaheim can't tax admission tickets for the next 30 years. If Disney spends an additional 500 Million on park expansion before 2024, the tax moratorium is extended an additional 15 years.

There was a great deal of contentious debate all night long from Anaheim residents, so I would expect Disney to make a clear announcement about Disneyland Resort expansion next month at D23 Expo, if only to make some peace with some of the cranky neighbors.

Many of the anti-Disney comments came from clearly disturbed or delusional people however, and there was a really surprising pro-Disney majority that spoke in favor of it, including union leaders, business leaders, non-profits that benefit from Disney's charity, and local residents.

But still, Disney pretty much has to say something at D23 Expo now.

Eight hours? I would have impaled myself on a mike stand to end the suffering.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Too bad Anaheim couldn't leverage a third park opening too.

 

[Figments Friend]

They should invest some of the $1 billion in finally building *Discovery Bay*.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Too bad Anaheim couldn't leverage a third park opening too.

I know a lot of DL fans who don't want a third gate. I haven't noticed an extreme desire for a third gate within the DL community.

 

[TP2000]

Too bad Anaheim couldn't leverage a third park opening too.

Between Marvel and Star Wars, they've got plenty of material to work with for both existing parks. And between the empty plot behind Cars Land, and all the land becoming available north of Frontierland, they also have plenty of space to work with.

A third theme park can be something for the 2030's, or beyond.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I'd just like a park with a new theme. Something Epcot-ish. But I know we'll probably never see it.

 

[Travel Junkie]

For people hoping for a third gate at DLR or Universal Orlando, keep in mind that WDW has struggled to keep the resort fresh ever since they went to more than 2 gates. Disneyland has largely been neglected the last 20 years as most of the investment has been gone into to creating DCA and then fixing DCA. A third gate would not guarantee a bigger pie for investment. Instead it’s just as likely the same amount is spread among 3 parks instead of 2. This is the right way to go. As crowded as the parks are now there is plenty of room to add capacity in the existing 2 parks.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

A third park shouldn't be on the table until DCA is closer to DL in attendance. Running at 50-60% of Disneyland's attendance means there isn't the demand for a third park...yet.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'd just like a park with a new theme. Something Epcot-ish. But I know we'll probably never see it.

Neither park that was built to fulfill promises to a government turned out all that well [at opening].

 

[Disneysea05]

Between Marvel and Star Wars, they've got plenty of material to work with for both existing parks. And between the empty plot behind Cars Land, and all the land becoming available north of Frontierland, they also have plenty of space to work with.

Marvel and Star Wars could have definitely benefited from the relative blank slate that the third theme park land offered.

It's unfortunate the timing was not right to move ahead with the new park.