As other posters said in other threads, WDW has a lot riding on the CP/ICP program. They need to get those CP housing full of cast paying weekly rent ( CP housing is a cash cow for Disney ) and working shifts that a number of non CP cast don't want to work. And from a financial standpoint, CP and ICP are paid generally lower than the senior cast on the payroll. Disney is not going to close the program.
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Disney to start Furloughs April 19th
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There was already expected to be a large gap the CPs would have filled when things reopen.
And that was just before the closure.
Surferboy567
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Mouse Trap
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News about unionized furloughs should be announced shortly.
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Unionized layoffs or furloughs? I would have thought the non-unionized would be the first to be cut.
asianway
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Read the thread that news already dropped
Ahhh, sure, hadn’t kept up with this thread lately. I didn’t see where they announced the unionized furloughs. My husband’s role is unionized, and he hadn’t heard anything official (or he just didn’t mention it to me, since we’re both just assuming it was gonna happen anyway).
What news? They furloughed non-unionized CMs but that's all so far.
Right?! I'm not sure what the union is arguing. They don't really have a leg to stand on, contractually
Rteetz
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That's what it is looking like yes.
TrainsOfDisney
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Sure they do... otherwise there wouldn’t be a discussion happening.
peter11435
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Yes. But the union will try to spin it like they wouldn’t have gotten it without the union.
asianway
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This is, without a doubt, the weakest union representing hotel workers in the entire country. They can’t negotiate when they hold all the cards, and they look like fools when they start taking credit for what was already being offered.
No shocker, FL is a right to work state.
I'd like to point out that the furlough language in the STCU contract states that furloughed employees shall retain medical insurance. So yes, on the surface, it may appear that the Union is negotiating for what is already provisioned. However, if employees aren't working, does the provision as written mean that the employees owe their share of health insurance premiums whilst furloughed? I'd argue that under the most natural reading of the contract, the answer would be yes. The Company would continue to pay its share during the furlough and the employee would be on the hook for any back premiums incurred during the furlough. This isn't what the Company is doing for Executive, Salaried, and Non-Union hourly employees. As previously stated in multiple news articles, for these employees, the Company is paying the portion of health care premiums normally picked up by the employee during the furlough. Because the STCU contract is vague, and again, based on a natural reading of the language, I construe the language to mean that even during furlough, the employee is responsible for his or her premiums, the Union is most likely negotiating for the same treatment as the non-union employees so that folks don't have large sums of money to pay when the furlough ends.
Also, the contract only allows for a thirty day furlough. I think everyone agrees that this furlough might need to run a touch longer than thirty days. Unfortunately, the option after the thirty day clock runs out seems to be return to work, or at least return to pay, or layoff. For obvious reasons, employees don't want to be laid off. To my mind, it would benefit the Company to figure out how to create a longer furlough period as well. Furlough is hitting pause on ones employment, benefits stay in place, vacation and sick time stays banked, etc. Lay off is true separation, one would no longer be employed by the Company. Operations are going to have to resume at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. For this to happen quickly, it's going to be a lot easier for the Company to bring back furloughed employees, kind of picking up where one left of, than it is to re-onboard tens of thousands of employees, even if some are eligible for retained seniority under the recall provisions of the contract. This thirty day timeline could also be an issue that's being discussed or negotiated. The thirty day language is specifically written in the contract, I'm not certain if it could be amended by an agreement between STCU and the Company without putting the new language to a vote, not practical during normal times, let alone these times. I have theories on how to get around the thirty day language without laying off employees, and this could also be what's being negotiated.
bluetiedye
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The union is right in the posted statement that Disney should be pushing the FL government to strengthen the unemployment system. Cash to hire more people at the unemployment office, loaning workers to work the unemployment phones, etc.
Keep in mind, Disney is a member of multiple business groups that have lobbied for the past decade to cut business taxes by gutting certain social programs, including the state’s unemployment system. (Orlando Sentinel article)
Keep in mind, Disney is a member of multiple business groups that have lobbied for the past decade to cut business taxes by gutting certain social programs, including the state’s unemployment system. (Orlando Sentinel article)
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Musician's Union and Walt Disney World agree on represented Cast Members beginning furlough on April 19
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Musician's Union and Walt Disney World agree on represented Cast Members beginning furlough on April 19
Latest update on Cast Member furlough process at Walt Disney World.
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