TestTrack
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Disney stubs out smoking from its films
- Thread starter Hakunamatata
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YES!! :hammer:
maelstrom
Well-Known Member
I don't doubt or deny that many people smoke tobacco from a hookah. But that's not what immediately jumps to mind when you see or hear the word. Especially with things like that caterpillar out and about. :lookaroun
TestTrack said:
I'm sorry, but I am quite sad and lonely tonight and my medicine prevents me from reacting the way I normally would in this situation, so spreading my wealth of useless knowledge and writing is what is going to get me by until tomorrow.
Connor002 said:
Yes, please. The big one with all the chocolate chips on top, please.
Krozar
New Member
From my understanding, movies that use smoking in historical context do not apply to the new standard.
Fun2BFree
Active Member
Am I to understand by this if in a new kiddie film, a character smokes, the film would be rated R? Absurdism. :lookaroun
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so old are alright then?
maelstrom
Well-Known Member
If the kid doesn't see smoking in the movies, then he'll see it at home, at school, on televison, on the internet, in a lot of public places (okay, so you can't smoke inside the mall or restaurants anymore; the smokers now just congregate right outside the door), etc. This is really just another dumbass move made by someone who wants to look good when in reality their big stance against smoking is going to have little to no effect on underage smokers. Most of my friends smoke (we're all in our early 20s now, but most of them have been smoking since around 16 years of age), and they didn't start because they saw someone cool in a movie who was doing it. What's next, banning alcohol from movies? People drink. People smoke. Everyone has their own reasons for doing so, and I'll bet that most people's reason isn't, "_insert cool actor here_ smoked in such&such movie and I wanted to be like him/her". I don't smoke regularly. On occassion I will have a cigarette if I'm feeling particularly annoyed. I'm a drinker. And not because of a movie, tv show, or anything like that. I drink because I'm depressed, I like being drunk, cocktails are yummy albeit expensive, alcoholism runs in the family (when your background includes Ukrainian, Irish, & German, you're just set up for alcoholism), and because I am just several levels of screwed up that we don't need to get into. But that is my own business and my own personal choice to make. I do not drive drunk; it's my business if I want to screw up my own body, but I have absolutely no right to go out driving drunk and screw up someone else's life. I make sure that I have a designated driver, that whoever's house I'm at I can sleep over if I need to, or worst case scenario is that I have at least four family members off the top of my head who would come pick me up in the middle of the night no questions asked. I realize I'm a little off topic here, but it honestly sounds as though drinking will soon be banned in movies too. High school age kids and underage college kids are going to drink no matter what's in the movies. Plenty of them won't, and that's great. But a lot of them will, and banning alcohol in movies won't prevent it. And banning cigarettes in movies won't keep underage kids from smoking, either. Kids are going to do what they want to do. I think the best thing is to keep up active teen-targeted advisories, informative signs up and about noting the dangers of smoking and alcohol. Make an aggressive campaign to encourage underage kids to not drink and smoke. It *will* reach some of them. But once they hit 18 (19 in NJ and perhaps elsewhere), they are free to give themselves lung cancer, and once they hit 21, they are free to kill their liver if they so choose.
Sorry about all that. It's about 5:00a and I haven't slept and I guess I should honestly do this more often because I could knock out so many stupid articles for Associated Content and get myself some dinero.
Sorry about all that. It's about 5:00a and I haven't slept and I guess I should honestly do this more often because I could knock out so many stupid articles for Associated Content and get myself some dinero.
amandagibbins
New Member
I recently went to Disneyland Paris and people there smoked all around the park it was gross being pregnant choking on smoke but i know in WDW there was special smoking spots at least if people didnt want to breathe it in you can avoid walking into people walking around with a cigarete in there hand while pushing a stroller/pram
Yes, but drinking in moderation is actually healthy. Smoking in moderation is still unhealthy....
TestTrack
Active Member
You need to seek help...seriously. WDWmagic isn't going to help you. I don't think a family forum is a place to be sharing these details.
I personally would never "share" this way, and also feel that a WDW forum is a strange place to do so, but just want to remind everyone that this is NOT a family forum. It IS moderated as to make it as comfortable as possible for people who have a wide range of ideas as to what is or is not appropriate (which means that I can almost guarantee that every member will disagree with a moderating decision at some time), but the majority of people posting/reading are adults.
I would not let my children come here without supervision, and I have more control over what is posted than most.
The poster you quoted does seem to have a drinking problem, which is sad, but it does not appear that he came here looking for advice or help.
maelstrom
Well-Known Member
TestTrack: Um, I certainly wasn't thinking that WDWMagic was going to help me with any of my issues, and I definitely never asked for any help on here. I'll be sure to let my psychiatrist know that you think I should seek help. Also, this isn't a family forum.
The whole point of that rambly middle-of-the-night post was: people drink and people smoke. They have their own reasons for doing so. I listed my own reasons, as screwed up as you may think they are. Most people's reason is NOT "so&so did it in a movie so I did too", and therefore banning smoking and possibly even drinking in films is just stupid and accomplishes nothing. Kids will still smoke and drink.
Also, this isn't a family forum.The whole point of that rambly middle-of-the-night post was: people drink and people smoke. They have their own reasons for doing so. I listed my own reasons, as screwed up as you may think they are. Most people's reason is NOT "so&so did it in a movie so I did too", and therefore banning smoking and possibly even drinking in films is just stupid and accomplishes nothing. Kids will still smoke and drink.
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Good move. I think Disney is trying to solidify their market nitche. Something they have lost. Remember the cursing and dirty mags in the Mighty Duck first movie? Was it necessary? No. Did it turn more people off than did to sell the movie? Yes.
Something I noticed on the Disney Channel TV edit just this weekend was the inclussion of @$$ in the film. Unually in almost every TV edit for the Disney Channel they edit out anything close to not family friendly. This was not edited out. Again, it didn't add anything to their target audiences experience, but it did take away from it.
The Disney name is trying to gain back it's luster. That is all. Appeal to the target audience. Don't do things that turn them away. No Baby Herman I guess in Roger Rabbit 2.
Something I noticed on the Disney Channel TV edit just this weekend was the inclussion of @$$ in the film. Unually in almost every TV edit for the Disney Channel they edit out anything close to not family friendly. This was not edited out. Again, it didn't add anything to their target audiences experience, but it did take away from it.
The Disney name is trying to gain back it's luster. That is all. Appeal to the target audience. Don't do things that turn them away. No Baby Herman I guess in Roger Rabbit 2.
Connor002
Active Member
Oh, dang. :lookaroun
intersting thread drift. But to sort of get back on topic. I think you are right in sayint that most people don't sit down and constitusly same to themselves, "Movies make smoking look cool, I think I'll try it." However, You can't deny that Movie and TV have huge impact on our culture and the way people dress, behave, talk, and even think. They establish the norm for our society. Will there still be kids that smoke and drink? Of course there will be, but that doesn't mean that Disney's decistion is stupid and accomplishes nothing. They are presenting an ideal where there is no smoking, and if you don't believe that it can have at least some impact, you're kidding yourself.
P.S. I agree that they should take cuse words out of the movies they make that are geared towards kids and the tween market. There is no reason for them. Like JimboJones123 said, it only serves to take away from their audiance.
Don't forget Pinocchio, chilling on Pleasure Island, s__________g down a stogie, Tony Soprano style.
mharrington
Well-Known Member
I understand Disney's commitment to a healthier lifestyle and I even appreciate what they're doing. However, I can't help but think: what will happen to Disney's stable of past movies, like "Pinocchio" or "Alice In Wonderland" or "101 Dalmatians"? Will the smoking scenes in those movies be edited out like what happened to Pecos Bill on the DVD release of "Melody Time"? I certainly hope not, especially considering that "101 Dalmatians" will be the next movie to receive the Platinum Edition treatment after "The Jungle Book". Again, will all scenes from movies involving smoking be deleted from all future DVD releases? Be honest now.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
I think I saw in the article where they will run a PSA at the beginning of existing productions that have smoking or tobacco use.
DisneyFaNatic1
New Member
I don't think this will help much, but it's not a BAD thing.
mharrington
Well-Known Member
I meant that I have a feeling that they will still cut the smoking usage scenes out of the movies themselves, PSA or no PSA. Will they do that? I hope you're right and they won't.
Also, how will this affect the Walt Disney Treasures? Donald 3 is coming out the next set and it covers the duck's career from 1947 to 1950. One of the cartoons during this timeframe, "Donald's Happy Birthday" from '49, has an entire scene involving, in which Donald thinks his nephews are taking up smoking and forces them to smoke all the cigars that they had bought for HIM for his birthday! Will these cartoons be banned, edited or just relocated to the "From the Vault" section now seen in most of the cartoon Treasures these days?