Disney Stubbornness!

MouseMadness

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by UncleJeet
I blame my typos and inability to follow the laws of grammar on sleep deprivation. Just so everyone is aware.

UncleJeet

*in Tom Hanks voice*

Typos! There are no typos on Magic! :lookaroun
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Merlin
Doh! Well, look at it this way....You can save a few bucks and be CREMATED just like Walt instead!

Yes, but then I can't be brought back from the dead the way that Walt had planned. :animwink:
 

Scooter

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by UncleJeet
Just for the sake of perspective, if you saw two movies a year, would it make you an authority on the current state and trends of the industry? If you drove your car in the city twice a year, would you be able to say with authority which roadways were consistently overcrowded and such?

My point? Going twice a year doesn't really give you a good sampling base for a judgement call on a ride's popularity. When you go affects crowds, what time your in the park affects crowds, etc...

UncleJeet

I KNEW I would catch slack for that comment.:lol:

To Quote Bob Dylan..."You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

I go for 5 years..I see long lines.
I go for the last 3 years..I see no long lines.

While I may not be the the sharpest knife in the drawer, I can certainly tell the differance between a long line and a short line or no line.

There is ALWAYS a long line for the Winnie The Pooh line.
There is ALWAYS a long line for Test Track.
There is ALWAYS a long line for It's A Small World.
There is Sometimes a long like for Spaceship Earth
There is Sometimes a long line for Haunted Mansion
There is Sometimes a long line for Country Bear Jamboree
There is almost NEVER a long line for Food rocks
There is almost NEVER a long line for Tiki Birds Under New Management.

You are 100% right...someone who lives near the park and goes to the park often WOULD be a better judge than I am as to ride attendance and popularity...
...but even if you only go to the parks once a YEAR you can still have SOME idea of a rides popularity. All you have to do is look at the length of the lines.

I go to a Bar-B-Que Rib festival every year in Naperville, Illinois.
They have 20 differant rib venders competing for the title of "Best Ribs at Rib Fest"

I don't have to try ALL the ribs to tell which ones are the best.
I can tell which ones are the best to some extent by looking at how many people are in line to buy them. :hammer:

It's a pretty simple formula really...the most popular ribs are the rib venders that have the longest line of people waiting to BUY them.:animwink:
 

UncleJeet

New Member
Originally posted by Scooter
There is ALWAYS a long line for Test Track.
There is ALWAYS a long line for It's A Small World.

....

I don't have to try ALL the ribs to tell which ones are the best.
I can tell which ones are the best to some extent by looking at how many people are in line to buy them. :hammer:

It's a pretty simple formula really...the most popular ribs are the rib venders that have the longest line of people waiting to BUY them.:animwink:

Test Track is a very slow loading/unloading ride, and it has critical stops all the time. As for Small World, I would tend to put it in your "sometimes" category as I've walked onto it several times during my visits. In fact, I would put all of the rides into your "sometimes" category. During the summer and peak times, most all of the rides have lines. I'd hesitate to lump any shows like Tiki or Muppets or what have you into the "ride" category, as they hold lots of people at once and cycle very quickly. If you time it right, there may be no "line" because a show just let in, but there will be a wait until the next show begins. If you only go in the off seasons, then you're getting a totally different crowd than peak and summer. Families tend to go in the summer when parents have vacations and kids are out of school. Older groups and couples tend to go more in the off season when there aren't as many families running around hitting you with stroller wheels, and twentysomethings are going to popularize different rides than a family with a couple of youngsters.

As for judging the best ribs based on how many people are in line to buy them is a bit daft, don't you think? What you may find to be the best tasting ribs might not be at all what most people think are the best tasting. Personally, I go with what I like, not with what the herd is grazing on. That's just me, though....I'm weird. :)

UncleJeet
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Merlin
How 'bout when people refer to Magic Kingdom as "Disney World"? Or when they refer to Magic Kingdom as "The" Magic Kingdom? Or when they refer to Disney/MGM Studios as "MGM" (I realize that with that last one, a lot of us do that on these boards. But we do it as an abbreviation, not because we actually think that's what it's called).


I have to disagree on the MK one. I have the monorail wav and it says Welcome to the Magic Kingdom.

On the second that is funny, I just got my daughter the WDW vacation planner tape so she has an idea for the park since it will be her first time. And when they talked about Disney MGM Studios they actually called it The Disney Studios. No mention of MGM. I thought it was strange.
 

Merlin

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Originally posted by mikebegley
I have to disagree on the MK one. I have the monorail wav and it says Welcome to the Magic Kingdom.

Uh oh! You know what this means, don't you?? This makes ME one of those people! Aaaaaahhhhh!!!

Originally posted by mikebegley
On the second that is funny, I just got my daughter the WDW vacation planner tape so she has an idea for the park since it will be her first time. And when they talked about Disney MGM Studios they actually called it The Disney Studios. No mention of MGM. I thought it was strange.

Yeah I noticed that too. All I could think of was that maybe there's something in the contract that prevents them from using the MGM name on videos or something.
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Merlin


Yeah I noticed that too. All I could think of was that maybe there's something in the contract that prevents them from using the MGM name on videos or something.

I just figured that they just wanted to claim it for themselves.
 

StephAndChuck

New Member
It gets on my nerves when:

People think that they can do everything at WDW in 2 or 3 days. I sell the 4 day hopper at my work and people are always complaining that that's too many days to purchase.

When I ask someone if they are staying on-site at WDW and they say "oh yes, we are staying at the (hojo's, holiday inn, etc.) thats in WDW.

People who are spending thousands of $$ on a WDW vacation and then complain about how expensive food is at the parks- i mean how often are you there- go ahead and spend a few bucks to buy your kid a mickey bar!

Ok, finished ranting :) -Stephanie
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by StephAndChuck
It gets on my nerves when:

People think that they can do everything at WDW in 2 or 3 days. I sell the 4 day hopper at my work and people are always complaining that that's too many days to purchase.

When I ask someone if they are staying on-site at WDW and they say "oh yes, we are staying at the (hojo's, holiday inn, etc.) thats in WDW.

People who are spending thousands of $$ on a WDW vacation and then complain about how expensive food is at the parks- i mean how often are you there- go ahead and spend a few bucks to buy your kid a mickey bar!

Ok, finished ranting :) -Stephanie

Stephanie,

I agree about the 2 or 3 days but I am sure those are first timers who have no clue. You could go for 1 month and not do everything. You might hit all the rides, but you will not do everything there is to do. The place is BIG. And think when I was a kid we would go for min 9 nights once for 2 weeks and back then it was just the Magic Kingdom.

And about the food. We always try to eat what we want when we go. It is true it is not cheap, but we do not spend that kind of money all the time, just on vacation. My wife had only gone 2 or 3 times as a child and her parents would leave the park and eat in the parking lot because they could not afford more. Because of that I always try to make sure she can have whatever she wants when we go.
 
Originally posted by mikebegley
Your #2 brings up what irritates the most. I hate, Hate, HATE, when people refer to Walt Disney World as Disneyland

My favorite is when talking to a guest about where they have been they say something to the effect of "We went to Disney yesterday and we are going to Epcot tomorrow". They just don't get it when you try to explain to them that Epcot is in "Disney".
 

Merlin

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Originally posted by Scooter
Here is something that irritates me to no end:

People who say things like "I don't know why that ride was shut down...it was one of the most popular rides in the park!"

I have been going to Disney World twice a year for 11 years.
I can pretty much tell when a ride is popular or not.
When there is no wait during peak times..it's pretty much a dead ride and it's time to change it because people are bored with it or don't enjoy it and it's just taking up space.

Examples: Mr Toads Wild ride.
Alot of people Loved Mr Toad..it was a classic..but for the last 2 or 3 years of it's excistence, there was never a long line to ride it.

Enchanted Tiki room...same thing. While it was a classic, there were no great hordes of people pushing and shoving tryiing to get on that ride...unfortunately the "Under New Management" version isn't fairing much better...perhaps audio-animatronic birds just aren't considered Cool anymore <sigh> Who knows.

Kitchen Kabaret featuring Bonnie Appetite...while it was adorable, the audiances soon got tired of it much like they did for it's follow-up act Food Rocks.

There are others I could mention, but I don't want to cause a flurry of flamers to attack me. :lol:

I guess some people just aren't good at Letting go..but when you get up in my face and say "It's the most popular Show on PROPERTY!" be prepared for a rebuttle because the fact is...what YOU consider to be your favorite attraction may be dying...and you need to learn to deal with that. :animwink:

This one really struck a chord with me and I agree with you 100%. Obviously Disney knows which of their attractions are popular and which ones aren't. If no one is riding a particular attraction, get rid of it and replace it with something more exciting. I don't understand what's wrong with that concept.
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Merlin
This one really struck a chord with me and I agree with you 100%. Obviously Disney knows which of their attractions are popular and which ones aren't. If no one is riding a particular attraction, get rid of it and replace it with something more exciting. I don't understand what's wrong with that concept.

I agree but I do hate seeing things that I liked as a child go away. But I also know that somethings are outdated too.
 

SNS

Active Member
Originally posted by Merlin
This one really struck a chord with me and I agree with you 100%. Obviously Disney knows which of their attractions are popular and which ones aren't. If no one is riding a particular attraction, get rid of it and replace it with something more exciting. I don't understand what's wrong with that concept.

I completely disagree, Disney has room to expand & it's pointless to replace rides. Besides there are many people that get emotionally attached to buildings/rides, why make them go through all that emotional pain?
 

mrtoad

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by SNS
I completely disagree, Disney has room to expand & it's pointless to replace rides. Besides there are many people that get emotionally attached to buildings/rides, why make them go through all that emotional pain?

See, I am torn. I am one of those people who goes through the attachment. But I assume they know if something isn't working. I keep saying the same thing, they have the room why not build somewhere else. But they I have read and been told that the way th land is set up they can't expand the MK. If they can, then yes by all mean I would prefer they just build new stuff and leave my favorites alone.

I was very sad when Toad and 20K went away. I miss them. If they could have kept them, I wish they did.

:(
 

Purdue129

New Member
Originally posted by SNS
I completely disagree, Disney has room to expand & it's pointless to replace rides. Besides there are many people that get emotionally attached to buildings/rides, why make them go through all that emotional pain?


it'd be nice to keep everything, but unfortunetly we all know it comes down to money

they're not going to keep paying operating costs if nobody is going on it.
 

Merlin

Account Suspended
Originally posted by SNS
I completely disagree, Disney has room to expand & it's pointless to replace rides. Besides there are many people that get emotionally attached to buildings/rides, why make them go through all that emotional pain?

Well there are couple of ways to view this, either from the viewpoint of the nostalgic guest or from the viewpoint of the Disney company management whose purpose is to run the parks in a fiscally responsible way. Each viewpoint would offer it's own set of logical and relevant arguments. But the point of this thread is to discuss people who say things about Disney when they don't know what they are talking about. And this specific conversation within the thread is about people who say, "I don't understand why they got rid of that attraction since it was so popular." So while I appreciate the fact that you "completely disagree", you're kind of disagreeing with the wrong point. We weren't debating whether or not popular rides should be removed or replaced. We were debating whether that statement is an intelligent remark. And I would say that it is NOT an intelligent remark. Why? Because if the attraction truly were popular, then Disney would not be getting rid of it. And Disney should know much better than the average observer which of their attractions are popular and which ones are not.

Here's an example from quite a few years back. On two separate occasions that I know of, Disneyland had announced that they would be getting rid of Great Moments with Mr Lincoln because of poor attendance. On both occasions, a massive letter writing campaign saved the attraction from being closed. As it turns out, it was a good thing because they recently retooled the attraction using "Alien Encounter"-type sound technology and it is really awesome now. But when they first announced it, I can remember thinking, "Too bad they're closing it. I (meaning me, personally) really enjoy that attraction." I didn't say, "I don't understand why they're shutting it down. It's so popular", because I knew darn well it was not a popular attraction.

See the difference?
 

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