And in this case, after a lackluster SW rollout on both coasts, and with this being a highly anticipated high dollar system, and the "incident" happening less than a week after it opened, they were highly incentivized to be less than fully forthcoming.
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Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019
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If there are more hiccups for the TWDC, I can see future executives leaving "to spend more time with family...."
lazyboy97o
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This isn’t something that can just be ignored. There would have been multiple eye witnesses to people in these gondolas. Ever have tempered glass shatter on you? At the very least it’s going to create a momentary shock and you’d want to make sure you get the glass off of you and out of your clothes. You wouldn’t just sneak away after something like that. Walking away from that situation is the story that strains more credulity.
What you wrote, while true, does not contradict what I said.
ImperfectPixie
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What you said has to do with completely different privacy laws. It's not related to HIPAA at all.
Vacationeer
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Maybe the Skyliner buses are to help guests who had SkyLiner worked into their touring? Many guests excitedly made plans to make use of the new routes. Skyliner gives more direct options and flexibilty.
If somebody staying at AoA planned an ADR brunch at Boardwalk, they'd need extra time for bus transfers or walking thru Epcot. This feels worse after they paid extra to stay in AoA for the convenience of Skyliner travel. Buses shuttling guests around Skyliner stops would help those resort guests feel better about the situation.
If somebody staying at AoA planned an ADR brunch at Boardwalk, they'd need extra time for bus transfers or walking thru Epcot. This feels worse after they paid extra to stay in AoA for the convenience of Skyliner travel. Buses shuttling guests around Skyliner stops would help those resort guests feel better about the situation.
tissandtully
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That would make sense since resort buses don't go resort to resort.
Bender123
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Yes...it does. HIPAA has nothing to do with anything. Disney could release anything they want. The law does not apply to them in the least bit. These two things are completely independent and have absolutely no bearing on each other.
Would it be a good idea to release the info? Not a bit...but there is no law preventing them from doing so.
Bender123
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Maaaayyyyybeee? HIPAA gets really cloudy as you get into self funded medical plans, which Disney certainly is. Generally an employer wouldn't receive medical information, just due to the fact that paying for insurance and paying for care are actually two separate processes/transactions. Paying for one is not a direct act for the other. In hospitals and insurance, the employer can get a deidentified look at claims info, but nothing else. In self funded, they technically pay for the insurance AND the care...but you also run into all sorts of employment law that makes receiving identifiable info a bad idea.
Generally, in the hypothetical situation of a Disney Employee being injured and seeking health care (either from an employed nurse or a hospital, the company will work either with a broker who deals with this info and reports it as deidentified (basically walling themselves off from the company with the identification info) or the company assigns a specific group that is independent of leadership decision makers that receives the info and de-identifies it.
Its generally considered a minefield of awfulness for an employer to ever look at an employee health record...in fact, an VP of mine was fired for doing this to check on if staff were really "sick" when they called in...and I work in hospitals. He was a really terrible boss.
You're making a big assumption that people were (or would've been) showered with shattered glass. Personally, I haven't been able to see shattered glass in the photos that I've seen.
I rode numerous times during the few days the Skyliner was open. The large windows seemed to me to be polycarbonate, not glass. They were very thin, and did not ring when tapped. Polycarbonate would make more sense for a large curved area where visibility is not essential. I don't know what the vent windows are, because they are behind the mesh screen. But if a vent window did break, it would fall outside the cabin, because of the mesh screen.
The eyewitness account of the people claiming to be in the first yellow cabin, IIRC, mentioned a window popping out, but nothing about being showered with shattered glass.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Have we heard this from a reliable source?
flynnibus
Premium Member
A window panel on the blue cabin shattered - It was tempered glass. The other panels are likely tempered glass as well. Photo is on twitter.. and in this thread somewhere too
ETA: here you go... my remix
But no, we don't have reports of that glass falling on any guests.
People do crazy, fearful stuff at amusement parks all the time -- for some people, that's the point. A ton of people will try the Skyliner out, but very few of them will be people who have true phobias. The people who ride will be people who have fears but feel confident they can reasonably manage that during the ride. Most of them will be right, and a few won't.
I hope you are able to try it out and I hope you love it!
Rhinocerous
Premium Member
The video in this post appeared to show glass on the ground under the cabin.
I said that HIPAA prohibits the release of personally identifiable information. That is absolutely correct. I did not get into the further aspects of who is covered and under what circumstances. Additional information supplied by others is also relevant, but I didn't address that in what I said. I don't know enough about who was injured or what kind of records that Disney might keep as related to insurance to say whether the law would apply generally or not. I am also not an expert, so I wasn't trying to remark on those aspects. My only point was that saying that some person got injured would not be a violation of HIPAA under any circumstances of which I am aware.
From hipaajournal.com:
Under HIPAA, protected health information is considered to be individually identifiable information relating to the past, present, or future health status of an individual that is created, collected, or transmitted, or maintained by a HIPAA-covered entity in relation to the provision of healthcare, payment for healthcare services, or use in healthcare operations (PHI healthcare business uses).
UNCgolf
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Yeah, I know; I'm an attorney who occasionally deals with HIPAA. It's not what I actually do (corporate litigation and occasionally some M&A stuff) but we have some hospital/health system clients so it comes up. It's complicated for any employers who provide medical plans (or act as some sort of intermediary between their employees and an insurer) -- they usually end up being responsible for partial compliance similar to hospital subcontractors who have to sign business associate agreements. It's certainly not the same as having to comply with the entirety of HIPAA, though.
HongKongFu
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Curious about 2 things:
1) is that you in the picture with the large fish?
2) if indeed that is you, is that a Zambezi aka bull behind you? I can't really tell; but it looks like decent sized a bull.
If that is you and if that is a Zambezi you might want to reassess your position on the totem pole of intelligence.
rnese
Well-Known Member
Accident.
flynnibus
Premium Member
which part?
If they called 911? - I've not seen confirmation of that or if the call was made by Disney staff after the guest used the comms box.
The part about the response delaying the activity - That's from a source - but completely gels with convention and best practices
Bender123
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I work in a hospital (and time to time will work a quick side contract with a national self funded administrator). Being in a hospital, we get all the fun. We have a self funded plan and actually have to set up our review system that has our admin send requests to pull records from our own system, just to deidentify them and them send them back. If you are an employee accessing another employees medical records, there is a nice little "break the glass" warning when you try to access their records. We fire people all the time for doing stupid stuff like this.