News Disney Riviera Resort announced

lostpro9het

Well-Known Member
I believe it was @Master Yoda who made a good point awhile back (in a different thread), about how AKL is the same distance from MK that POLY, GF, WL, and Contemporary are from AK, yet no one complains about the bus ride to or from AK to the monorail resorts. Or even AKL to Epcot or HS is roughly a few minutes difference than if you started at the monorail resorts. Its just the perception that it is "in the middle of nowhere".
I try to make that point all of the time. I'm a huuuge fan of Animal Kingdom Lodge.



Unfortunately, if there's a gap between "reality" and "silly myths that Disney fans have stuck in their heads for some reason," Disney really doesn't have much choice besides catering to the silly myths. There's absolutely zero reason why standard view rooms at Animal Kingdom Lodge should be the cheapest deluxe resorts on property, but they are.
I'm with ya both on AKL. I've just stopped trying to convenience people about AKL for two reasons:
1: Less people people I've got to compete with when I want a 1-bdrm value room.
2: Sometimes you just cant fix ignorance so I'll refer back to #1.
 

FerretAfros

Well-Known Member
Agree on All Star and Pop. They're trash. But I think Art of Animation is excellent, especially at night and especially at that price point.

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Art of Animation may have charm, but that doesn't mean that the hotel's theme is any more integrated than the All Stars or Pop Century. Without delving too deep in to architectural theory, there are two basic approaches to a "themed" structure: the duck building (which takes a form to reflect the function within) and the decorated shed (which convey their purpose through signs and other surface-applied decorations). A quick internet search for "Learning from Las Vegas" can give a deeper understanding of these approaches.

AOA (along with all the other Values) is a classic decorated shed: the hotel blocks are a basic box adorned with murals and fiberglass décor to give each area its distinct character. That the same basic hotel building can be redecorated to represent a desert, jungle, or underwater reinforces that the architecture here really has no bearing on the theme.

Contrast that approach with the design of the Wilderness Lodge, Polynesian, Yacht & Beach Clubs, or even Riverside and (the existing parts of) Coronado Springs. While all of those contain similar a similar function (rectangular hotel rooms), their arrangement and massing reflects the original architecture they're trying to imitate. Poly's longhouses are very distinct from the cottage-like Yacht Club, and Riverside's Alligator Bayou shacks are completely different from the Casitas at Coronado Springs, despite each set of rooms being essentially the same within.

Instead of identical T-shaped buildings, they have a variety of structures that evoke real iconic architectural styles, are oriented in a way that develops a sense of place, and are scaled appropriately to their (alleged) building materials. The variety and texture of spaces creates an informed environment that is far more realistic and compelling than one formed only by superficial details.
If it weren't in Hawai'i, you all would be singing the praises of Aulani. It's everything that a Disney fan loves in a resort from theming, authenticity, a daily activity schedule, Lots of entertainment, a Luau on site and many nearby, Walking distance to a shopping complex, located on the Pacific Ocean and feels luxurious - something missing from many Disney hotels.

All of that is without mentioning the lazy river, Adults only area, Infinity pool and hot tub, and their Rainbow Reef snorkeling lagoon. Oh, and an Atlantis Resort is being built right next door, which will have one of their Aquaventure water parks. There's enough to do on Oahu for a solid two weeks i'd say without ever running out of things to do. If you can ever swing a trip, i'd highly recommend it.
The resort grounds and activities at Aulani are great, but the hotel towers themselves leave a lot to be desired. Once you look past the surface-applied décor (thatched rooftops, artistic murals, and comically-oversized "wooden" posts), the structure could be practically any hotel tower in the world. This conveniently-cropped photo highlights how insignificant the veneer really is; without the roof add-ons, the tower really doesn't look all that different from the Marriott World Center:
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Yes, the rooms are very nicely appointed, and the grounds are lovely, and there are fun details tacked on to every space. But none of that can bypass the fact that all this is surrounded by a pair of 150' towers whose form is in no way influenced by their alleged theme. As enjoyable as I found the resort, getting truly lost in the theme required ignoring the metaphorical elephant in the room, when it would have been easier to ignore a literal elephant that can hide behind some greenery or a small wall.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Art of Animation may have charm, but that doesn't mean that the hotel's theme is any more integrated than the All Stars or Pop Century. Without delving too deep in to architectural theory, there are two basic approaches to a "themed" structure: the duck building (which takes a form to reflect the function within) and the decorated shed (which convey their purpose through signs and other surface-applied decorations). A quick internet search for "Learning from Las Vegas" can give a deeper understanding of these approaches.

AOA (along with all the other Values) is a classic decorated shed: the hotel blocks are a basic box adorned with murals and fiberglass décor to give each area its distinct character. That the same basic hotel building can be redecorated to represent a desert, jungle, or underwater reinforces that the architecture here really has no bearing on the theme.

Contrast that approach with the design of the Wilderness Lodge, Polynesian, Yacht & Beach Clubs, or even Riverside and (the existing parts of) Coronado Springs. While all of those contain similar a similar function (rectangular hotel rooms), their arrangement and massing reflects the original architecture they're trying to imitate. Poly's longhouses are very distinct from the cottage-like Yacht Club, and Riverside's Alligator Bayou shacks are completely different from the Casitas at Coronado Springs, despite each set of rooms being essentially the same within.

Instead of identical T-shaped buildings, they have a variety of structures that evoke real iconic architectural styles, are oriented in a way that develops a sense of place, and are scaled appropriately to their (alleged) building materials. The variety and texture of spaces creates an informed environment that is far more realistic and compelling than one formed only by superficial details.

The resort grounds and activities at Aulani are great, but the hotel towers themselves leave a lot to be desired. Once you look past the surface-applied décor (thatched rooftops, artistic murals, and comically-oversized "wooden" posts), the structure could be practically any hotel tower in the world. This conveniently-cropped photo highlights how insignificant the veneer really is; without the roof add-ons, the tower really doesn't look all that different from the Marriott World Center:
SLIDE_1_AULANI_2.jpg

Yes, the rooms are very nicely appointed, and the grounds are lovely, and there are fun details tacked on to every space. But none of that can bypass the fact that all this is surrounded by a pair of 150' towers whose form is in no way influenced by their alleged theme. As enjoyable as I found the resort, getting truly lost in the theme required ignoring the metaphorical elephant in the room, when it would have been easier to ignore a literal elephant that can hide behind some greenery or a small wall.
Architecture is a component of theme, but it's not the whole thing. The success of AoA is not how the buildings are designed, it's the way the courtyards are populated and the decor in the guest rooms.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Architecture is a component of theme, but it's not the whole thing. The success of AoA is not how the buildings are designed, it's the way the courtyards are populated and the decor in the guest rooms.
Well that's for darn sure...Ugly boxy buildings with graphics applied...couldnt get any cheaper...Probably even less money to create than the All Star Motels...
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Well that's for darn sure...Ugly boxy buildings with graphics applied...couldnt get any cheaper...Probably even less money to create than the All Star Motels...
Disney measures the success in how many rooms are occupied, of course. And of they can keep filling them on the cheap, they'll probably just repeat the same design over and over. Uni will probably do the same if rooms are all filled in the arguably boring design of the Aventura. Which looks like any other hotel in any other town, but can you blame them? If there's demand and the rooms fill up, why go extravagant? We all wish the "Disney difference" was still something they sought, but WDW has forgotten that and because people keep flocking to the parks, I doubt they'll remember it any time soon.
 

cosmicgirl

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'm aware of what's available on Oahu as I've visited the islands before. Was curious if Aulani on it's own was enough for a week's visit. Thanks.
Due to lack of availability we only spent 3 nights at Aulani out of an 8-night visit to Oahu. We absolutely loved the resort and spent 3 full days there to enjoy it as much as possible. However, we agreed that staying there for a week without leaving the resort and shopping area across the street would get a bit boring. We would absolutely stay there again and use it as a home base, but we didn't feel there was enough to do to fill a week. If you're happy spending every day by the pool or the lagoon you'll be fine. We also missed some variety in the food offerings but that's why many guests venture across the street.

I visited the Poly 2 months after our stay at Aulani and felt the Poly was lacking in comparison. You obviously can't ignore the giant towers, but they nailed it with Aulani. So don't judge Riviera by its foundations, because we don't know what they have up their sleeves.
 

Mizner92

Member
Aulani is a spectacular Resort from the entrance drive to the amazing views from the lobby when you first arrive. Nothing beats the feeling when you first walk in and take in the full panorama.

At some point, if you are reasonable, you have to agree that the towers of rooms are necessary to justify both the price of land on Oahu and to satisfy room demand.
 

Lensman

Well-Known Member
Aulani is a spectacular Resort from the entrance drive to the amazing views from the lobby when you first arrive. Nothing beats the feeling when you first walk in and take in the full panorama.

At some point, if you are reasonable, you have to agree that the towers of rooms are necessary to justify both the price of land on Oahu and to satisfy room demand.
I agree!

Plus, as much as theming and authenticity is important (and well done as I've already said), it is Hawaii so you need to maximize the number of ocean view rooms in your resort. This is a benefit both financially to Disney and to the DVC owners.
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And I kinda like the fake kaula lashed posts and beams. And it's not like you can really build a high end resort in a truly authentic fashion if this is what your inspiration is:

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The now closed Kona Village Resort on the Big Island was the most authentic resort:
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cosmicgirl

Well-Known Member
Aulani is a spectacular Resort from the entrance drive to the amazing views from the lobby when you first arrive. Nothing beats the feeling when you first walk in and take in the full panorama.

At some point, if you are reasonable, you have to agree that the towers of rooms are necessary to justify both the price of land on Oahu and to satisfy room demand.
On our arrival night (after a 30-hour journey!) that entrance drive had us more excited than any Disney resort had since we first visited DLP in 1995. None of the WDW resorts even come close to that wow factor imo.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Due to lack of availability we only spent 3 nights at Aulani out of an 8-night visit to Oahu. We absolutely loved the resort and spent 3 full days there to enjoy it as much as possible. However, we agreed that staying there for a week without leaving the resort and shopping area across the street would get a bit boring. We would absolutely stay there again and use it as a home base, but we didn't feel there was enough to do to fill a week. If you're happy spending every day by the pool or the lagoon you'll be fine. We also missed some variety in the food offerings but that's why many guests venture across the street.

I visited the Poly 2 months after our stay at Aulani and felt the Poly was lacking in comparison. You obviously can't ignore the giant towers, but they nailed it with Aulani. So don't judge Riviera by its foundations, because we don't know what they have up their sleeves.
If they had something fabulous up their sleeves, I think they would have lead with that when presenting the project to the public... The whole point of concept artwork is to excite the public and market the resort...you certainly would not use the most boring and pedestrian aspect of your hotel to get people excited... So...I think they probably don't have anything up their sleeves... It will be a hotel with Gondola access...Most likely the same boring DVC pool we see everywhere... Simple shallow pool with one slide, and maybe a little cocktail bar by the pool. When you compare that to the Universal hotel pools (especially the new ones) they come up very short....And remember this is a premium product...not a budget hotel...
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
If they had something fabulous up their sleeves, I think they would have lead with that when presenting the project to the public... The whole point of concept artwork is to excite the public and market the resort...you certainly would not use the most boring and pedestrian aspect of your hotel to get people excited... So...I think they probably don't have anything up their sleeves... It will be a hotel with Gondola access...Most likely the same boring DVC pool we see everywhere... Simple shallow pool with one slide, and maybe a little cocktail bar by the pool. When you compare that to the Universal hotel pools (especially the new ones) they come up very short....And remember this is a premium product...not a budget hotel...
You certainly could be right, but also keep in mind that it's often in DVC's best interest to be vague about a new project while they are actively selling another. Look at how much of BLT was built before they would even admit what it was.

I'm sure this will be far nicer than a "budget hotel". Personally I wouldn't categorize any recent DVC anywhere near that level. And unless DVC is having trouble selling points, they really don't have a reason to add anything substantially different than what they've done elsewhere.

I'm not a huge fan of the placement or theme of this particular resort, but I am willing to reserve final judgement until it's open. It might not entice me to buy more points or stay there (similar to BLT for me), but I'm sure there are those who will really enjoy it.
 

tonymu

Premium Member
I keep looking at the construction photos of the Riviera and stare at the new Riviera front drive that currently stops just in front of the current Caribbean Beach front desk building. When they finish these drives it looks like they will go just a few feet in front of the Caribbean Beach front desk building. Anyone know if it will be torn down after the new front desk area is completed in Center Town? I thought it might stay afterwards but doesn't look possible with the new Riviera entrance.
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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
It's surprising they haven't touched anything on that side of the road.

Here's the January aerial...

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Here is the overlay of the map that was displayed at D23 for the gondolas, but, showed the overview for Riviera...

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And here is the overlay transparent...

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Dunno if they're going to re-do that building into something else, or, they decided to leave it be after all. The roads can work they way they are it seems.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
It's surprising they haven't touched anything on that side of the road.

Here's the January aerial...

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Here is the overlay of the map that was displayed at D23 for the gondolas, but, showed the overview for Riviera...

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And here is the overlay transparent...

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Dunno if they're going to re-do that building into something else, or, they decided to leave it be after all. The roads can work they way they are it seems.
The building is still in use until OPR reopens fully. Once that is complete they can close and demolish the custom house.
 

briangaw

Active Member
Noticed in the photos when you zoom in a bit the exterior finishing mock up and trainer is up. The finishes sort of look like the concept art, but don't see the white parapets on the concept art. Could be incomplete or some exterior design changes. Also it looks like from the concept art, that although the concrete work is topped off, there may still be some vertical construction left for the top floor and roof work.

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Concept art reminder:
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Chars0704

Member
Usually my family prefers staying where you feel like you are in the middle of everything that is going on. On occasion I like to mix it up and stay in AKL or Kidani Village. It is a completely different feeling. And the fact I can relax on my balcony and watch various animals I cannot ever see normally is so enjoyable. Sometimes, that illusion of being somewhat isolated is appreciated.

You are so right though that you really aren’t that far away at all. People say that about AKL like it is a 30 minute bus ride. It’s not that far at all. I think many people, however, did like the option of different modes of free transportation. Maybe the fact that you can only get to other parts of the greater resort via bus is what perpetuates that feeling of being “so far away”.

On our recent mini-trip, we stayed 2 days at WL, and it was beautiful. For those that might enjoy feeling more isolated from the parks when in reality you are not, WL is wonderful for that. Our mornings were spent having coffee at Geyser Point. I didn’t even feel like I was in a theme park. It was so nice and relaxing.
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We loved WL when we stayed there. So much we are going back. It’s such a nice hotel. My daughter loved the splash pad there too. I feel spoiled by staying their our first trip. My husband says he always wants to go back. Too bad the prices are so much!
 

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