THEMEPARKPIONEER
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That's different it's not towering over a pavilion, I hate looking at the swan dolphin
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News Disney Riviera Resort announced
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Flynnwriter
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You have to speak up and let disney know this impacts your overall experience since there are 5 finance people to every one creative in meetings.
What's your source on that fact?
GiveMeLibertyTreeTavern
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It's too soon to accurately assess the theming of this resort or the lack thereof. All we have is a single concept art image taken from quite a distance that was likely created to be purposefully vague. The negativity toward the design is misplaced and presumptuous. As best I can tell it will have a French Riviera theme to it. It looks elegant. I expect that the finished product will be a beautiful resort and a great addition to the DVC portfolio.
Horizons '83
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- In the Parks
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Why waste your breath? This project isn't going to halt because we want better sight lines. That ship has sailed... (and not just this project, cough GoTG)
Lensman
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I'd be more confident about Disney's ability to hide the Riviera when viewed from across the World Showcase Lagoon, except that due to all the lake-level effects during Illuminations, I suspect that they will want to keep the lake level visible from the rooftop restaurant. And who knows, they might even keep it visible from the "penthouse" rooms.
Unfortunately, this means that the top floors of the tower would always be visible from across the lagoon.
Unfortunately, this means that the top floors of the tower would always be visible from across the lagoon.
BoarderPhreak
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Little by little, the skyline within Epcot is getting hosed. GotG remains to be seen, but may be fitting - as well as R in France. But the Skyliner towers... The Riviera... And who know what's going to happen with the "Epcot hotel" up front. 
aladdin2007
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Little by little, the skyline within Epcot is getting hosed. GotG remains to be seen, but may be fitting - as well as R in France. But the Skyliner towers... The Riviera... And who know what's going to happen with the "Epcot hotel" up front.
agree, I think Rat though is the least of the concerns out of all of them. The rest most definitely. clutteredcot.
Casper Gutman
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Has Disney built a well- (or even passably-) themed resort in America since the Grand Californian and AKL (both utter masterpieces) in 2001? Have they built anything other then big ugly boxes like the GF DVC, the Coranado Expansion, or the new DL hotel since Iger took over? Have recent renovations to WDW hotels done anything other then rip out theming and make them more generic?
Predictions regarding the Riviera are based on a lot more than one piece of art. During Iger’s regime, the idea of the intricately-themed hotel has been completely abandoned. Iger’s executives seem to associate class with the sleek and the bland and the strictly functional - the IPhone aesthetic. The baroque, excessive, fanciful, even campy (in a good way) aesthetic that defines Disney for most of us is being actively avoided. Basically, it’s another example of the fact that Iger’s people don’t particularly LIKE “Disney.”
A well-themed Riviera would be a seismic shift in the Iger-Disney design paradigm. There is absolutely no substantive evidence that this shift has occurred.
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CaptainAmerica
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You know you shouldn't be able to see Japan from Italy, right? The entire World Showcase is one giant thematic clash.
CaptainAmerica
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Kidani. Aulani. Copper Creek. Poly Bungalows. Art of Animation. Off the top of my head.
The recent refurbs have taken BADLY dated guest rooms, many of which were extremely dark, and made them bright, clean, and modern. Those design choices were based on guest feedback.
Bocabear
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But the theme is "International Icons of the World" not Hotels and Motels and Gas Stations and Internationala Icons... Funny that Walt wanted the Florida Project because he would be able to have the Blessing Of Space...So the visual intrusions around his Beloved Disneyland in Anaheim would never happen again.. It is sad that the Walt Disney Company is creating the visual intrusions themselves with no regard to the beautioful theme park they created...
Bocabear
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I think those are all debatable... Yes the guest rooms needed updating as do the surfaces from time to time... Refurbishment is good, but complete retheme and defurbishment is not...
Art Of Animation is an ugly box. As are all the odious All Star and Pop Century motels... Hard to even call them resorts...
CaptainAmerica
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1. They have hotels in France. Seeing a hotel behind French architecture shouldn't shock anybody.
2. I agree with you about the blessing of space, but most guests don't. They want things right on top of other things because they perceive it as "more convenient." Just look at all of the complaining people do about "how far from everything" Animal Kingdom Lodge is, despite it being arguably the best Disney-owned hotel on the planet.
CaptainAmerica
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Agree on All Star and Pop. They're trash. But I think Art of Animation is excellent, especially at night and especially at that price point.
Bocabear
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If they had run a monorail or some other type transport to the AKL NO ONE would have complained... It feels cut off from everything because it is, and I agree it is beautiful and very well done... But if they had an easy access to the other parks (not buses) and/ or even a train type shuttle direct to the Animal Kingdom Park, I think they would find the popularity of the hotel would leap! Allof the Disney Hotels except the monorail hotels have a transportation problem... They build elevated trains and monorails all over the world and even in third world countries....Why Disney can't complete the monorail and transportation system is beyond me... They are one of the richest companies on the planet...
Casper Gutman
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Kidani is a boxy, less interesting copy of the original AKL. I’m sure Aulani is very nicely landscaped, but it’s a standard-looking resort structure with bits pasted on. CC and the Poly Bungalows are insanely priced cash-grab add-ons to existing resorts, and CC seems barely themed (I know, they came up with a new back story that conveniently explained why they differ dramatically in style from the original Lodge). I will concede that the Poly bungalows look nice and are of a piece with the rest of the resort.
AoA is decent when viewed from very specific angles, but it is the quintessential box hotel. As for the price point, looking at a random four-night period in September, a family suite at AoA is more than twice as much as the at far better themed Cabana Bay.
Do any of the resorts you mentioned compare to GF, GC, AKL, WL, Port Orleans, or the Contemporary?
As for the room remodels, “bright, clean, and modern” is very often a euphemism for “generic and unthemed.” Even at GC, a resort I still love tremendously, the old rooms had more character then their current counterparts. As for being based in guest feedback - Disney can get any guest feedback it wants. If they were really concerned at all about guest feedback, maintenance would improve and prices would fall.
trainplane3
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Ah the All Star. Stayed there once when I was little (late 90's?). I deemed it the "poopy hotel" because I hated it so much. Stayed there against my will in high school for our marching band trip and my original opinion was still valid ~10 years later.Agree on All Star and Pop. They're trash. But I think Art of Animation is excellent, especially at night and especially at that price point.
AoA has always looked like an improvement on the All Star though I doubt I'll ever stay there.
aladdin2007
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Agree, I always felt that there could have been or should have been boat transportation between AKL and AK, with a connecting canal, that would have been really nice, and fun!