Disney Quest to close in July 2017

[Tony the Tigger]

Oh please, LOL. If you are going to use logical fallacies like that, I won't waste my breath further. I detailed several reasons already, you just don't apparently have the cognitive abilities to argue with them, or defend yours except that "Gosh golly be positive!"

Bored now. /wave

Buh-bye. You, like me and everyone else here, are just another nobody on a message board with an opinion. "It won't work because I think it won't work" is not compelling at all.

I'm guessing Walt was a lot closer to the "don't tell me I can't do it" camp. And I'm sure a lot of ideas fall by the wayside before the final actionable one bubbles up. It can't bubble up if you don't have the discussion in the first place without fear of ridicule by know-it-alls.

It particularly gets under my skin when people speak with absolute authority who have no such apparent authority. A few of us are just casually brainstorming ideas - there's no harm in that - sometimes that eventually leads to something solid. None of us, I presume, are imagineers and this discussion will presumably go no further than the handful of us spitballing. There are no consequences to this discussion.

You don't get points for poo-pooing it out of hand. No place to rehearse is not a sound argument. It's not a residency like Vegas - who says it isn't? It certainly could be. You don't think some artists would love to settle down for a couple of years with steady income from WDW?

At least it's thinking bigger than a Dave & Busters or something. The area needs a unique draw, not a cookie-cutter people factory.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

House of Blues is located at Universal City Walk, correct?

Your previous posting stated how "the house of Blues (sic.) does VERY, VERY well."

In any case, between you and the other guy here - I guess I accidentally stumbled into the "Blue Sky Imagineer Forum" at the DIS...

If you don't like it, stumble out. We were enjoying the discussion.

 

[Rodan75]

Wow. This convo turned ugly.

I think they could rotate 1 to 3 shows a year in a dedicated DIS Broadway theatre. And then do a holiday show in Q4, the holiday show would likely keep the venue in the black for the other 9 months.

There are plenty of DIS theatrical productions now that you would be able to avoid heavily toured shows (Lion King, BATB, Mary Poppins) to not hurt their touring rev and still have quality productions. I would assume the shows would use the staging for the traveling productions and not try and replicate the Broadway venues to keep costs and flexibility in check.

All of this is doable and would likely be profitable for quite some time. But is the rev per sq ft greater for this vs DQ or NBA...no clue.

 

[Quinnmac000]

I think its no problem with having a theatre but more so people filming etc would be the problem. You already have people filming and using flash photography on shows/rides when they aren't suppose to. And working in a theatre before I do know flash photography can be a problem with certain show effects and sensors which would be a reason why they wouldn't want to even bother.

 

[Matt_Black]

You know what would be fun? If they could get something going with the WWE.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Wow. This convo turned ugly.

I think they could rotate 1 to 3 shows a year in a dedicated DIS Broadway theatre. And then do a holiday show in Q4, the holiday show would likely keep the venue in the black for the other 9 months.

There are plenty of DIS theatrical productions now that you would be able to avoid heavily toured shows (Lion King, BATB, Mary Poppins) to not hurt their touring rev and still have quality productions. I would assume the shows would use the staging for the traveling productions and not try and replicate the Broadway venues to keep costs and flexibility in check.

All of this is doable and would likely be profitable for quite some time. But is the rev per sq ft greater for this vs DQ or NBA...no clue.

Exactly. This is what I have been envisioning.

They could easily still separate the building and only have about half of it for shows and rent out the other half.

 

[Next Big Thing]

If rumors hold true among the Cirque fandom, don't expect to see La Nouba make it to WDW's 50th in 2021 (or even out of the decade).

And the reason Cirque can get away with having a production at Disney Springs is because it is literally the only place in the world you can see La Nouba. If you go see a show under the Big Top or in an arena, you can bet you'll be seeing a different production. What's going to draw people to see Lion King when there are multiple productions of across the globe?

Then Disney needs to have shows that they aren't showing anywhere else at the time in Disney Springs. Only place in the world to see them would be Disney Springs.

 

[FigmentForver96]

If rumors hold true among the Cirque fandom, don't expect to see La Nouba make it to WDW's 50th in 2021 (or even out of the decade).

And the reason Cirque can get away with having a production at Disney Springs is because it is literally the only place in the world you can see La Nouba. If you go see a show under the Big Top or in an arena, you can bet you'll be seeing a different production. What's going to draw people to see Lion King when there are multiple productions of across the globe?

sigh....what a heartbreak.

 

[flynnibus]

A couple years ago I bought my wife orchestra seats for touring Broadway production of The Lion King at the Kennedy Center in DC. The tickets were $115+ fees each.

I'm sure if Disney spent millions and millions to build a Broadway-quality theater, they could keep draw an audience for a show like that for a limited period. But I don't think its sustainable. Is a family of 4 gonna drop an extra $500 and 3 hours to see a Broadway version of Lion King when they could spend that time at Animal Kingdom and see the Lion King show there? I just don't see it.

The cirque show has already proved you wrong. Disney has not even bothered to cycle out the show and it's still chugging along.

 

[flynnibus]

My understanding is that Cirque is floundering, at best. There are tons of coupons/groupons available and the show is rarely sold anywhere near capacity.

It's also 18 yrs old...The second oldest resident show. Imagine if they actually gave people something new...

You wouldn't keep one production for an entire generation

 

[flynnibus]

Right, but you can't do that with a Broadway-level show. The math doesn't work. Which is why I don't think that plan is feasible. With a show like La Nouba, you've long since paid off the sunk costs of the show and theater, so you can keep it on autopilot and still make it profitable. That's my whole point. You want the Broadway Lion King show, you can't discount tickets or put it on groupon.

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about because you seem oblivious to the discount tickets that dominate the short term ticket sales for Broadway shows...

 

[flynnibus]

Then Disney needs to have shows that they aren't showing anywhere else at the time in Disney Springs. Only place in the world to see them would be Disney Springs.

People don't travel to a city to see a specific cirque show... They see the cirque show the city offers. It's not destination entertainment, it's culture and entertainment for the site.

Disney springs is about doing more than just the theme parks. If something had to be unique to be worth trying at Disney springs.... 95% of it never should have been built.

Put on great entertainment and people will pay to go.

 

[Next Big Thing]

People don't travel to a city to see a specific cirque show... They see the cirque show the city offers. It's not destination entertainment, it's culture and entertainment for the site.

Disney springs is about doing more than just the theme parks. If something had to be unique to be worth trying at Disney springs.... 95% of it never should have been built.

Put on great entertainment and people will pay to go.

I understand that and agree with that. I was more or less just giving an alternative to his view.

Although i'd disagree, at least on the restaurant side of things, that stuff being built in DS isn't pretty unique. Most restaurants only have a few locations or possibly the only location in the US.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Blue sky, but let's copy the Marketplace Co-Op concept of modular areas into DisneyQuest for a five story Pleasure Island-esque destination.

We already have concepts from DCL in small enclosed space and we know that we have enough remaining elements from closed clubs at PI.

 

[indyumd]

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about because you seem oblivious to the discount tickets that dominate the short term ticket sales for Broadway shows...

Show me where you can buy heavily discounted tickets for a traveling Broadway show. You can't compare Broadway itself with a single theater in Orlando.

 

[indyumd]

It's also 18 yrs old...The second oldest resident show. Imagine if they actually gave people something new...

You wouldn't keep one production for an entire generation

That's my point. The show has lost its energy but it still makes enough money to continue. Clearly, Cirque doesn't believe they can make the economics of a new show work, otherwise they would have done it by now. We'll see if they eventually get to the point where La Nouba is doing so poorly they have no other choice.

And again, the prices and economics of Disney now vs. 18 years ago make it much harder to pull off an expensive new show.

 

[Adam N]

What did this turn into.

 

[Matt_Black]

A mudslinging show between people who have no idea what they're speaking of, it seems.

So... The internet?

 

[threvester]

If something along the same lines as Disneyquest does not go in this space..I know my family will not visit Disney Springs much if at all._..I dont go on vacation to hear the kids say over and over "can we go now? This place is boring.all there is is stupid shopping..You can do that at home"

 

[indyumd]

A mudslinging show between people who have no idea what they're speaking of, it seems.

I don't think there's much mudslinging going on, just a healthy debate.