Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...

kucarachi

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Funny, I would list those exact same reasons as why it is such a winner. It is just so different from everything else. Universal wasn't afraid to create Diagon Alley and even Knockturn Alley exactly as they should be. Don't even get me started on all the little details from the sounds of a train passing overhead to all the animatronics littered around.View attachment 58543 (Absolutely love this little guy, adds so much to the magical menagerie).

Now we get to the Dragon. At first I was skeptical about it but now I can't imagine the area without it. It really does act as an amazing "weenie" that draws you in.View attachment 58545 Universal hit an incredible home run right into the parking lot smashing Disney's windshield. They're not even done expanding yet, with even more to come.

while i agree it's very impressive what Universal has done...why must everyone say its a kick to the groin, a punch in the throat to the entire Disney company? It's like the android people that like to brag about how much better what they have is, how they are going to put apple out of business etc. Why can't people just say wow harry potter is great and leave it at that? Universal did about 12 Billion less in theme park revenue last year compared to disney...in fact the only way Universal could actually hurt disney would be to put universal studios on disney property. Then people would say how bad the rides are maintained and how Six Flags does it better.
 
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lazyboy97o

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while i agree it's very impressive what Universal has done...why must everyone say its a kick to the groin, a punch in the throat to the entire Disney company? It's like the android people that like to brag about how much better what they have is, how they are going to put apple out of business etc. Why can't people just say wow harry potter is great and leave it at that? Universal did about 12 Billion less in theme park revenue last year compared to disney...in fact the only way Universal could hurt actually hurt disney would be to put universal studios on disney property. Then people would say how bad the rides are maintained and how Six Flags does it better.
Themed entertainment is a creative medium. Their success is measured by fans more in their execution and content than in their revenue.
 

Matt_Black

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Speaking as someone who doesn't give a crap about Harry Potter, Diagon Alley does look nice in a gothic sense, and once you get into gothic sensibilities, the beauty/ ugly dichotomy becomes very subjective. And, to be fair, the Africa and Asia sections of AK aren't what you'd call traditionally beautiful either, and yet they're touted by many here as some of the best themed areas.
 

FigmentJedi

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I actually think you make some good points. Alleys are the backside of buildings, drab and dull. Claustrophobic and nasty. Rowling's London harkens back to the imagery of Dickens and Conan Doyle here. Always a master of utilising established imagery. Her backalley London is the one of Jack the Ripper, dangerous, filthy, misty (the perennial smog of industrial era Britain that covered London like a black blanket).

It is a great setting for a book and movie. But is it also great for a build themed environment? Why would one want to visit an ugly surrounding? In many ways, Diagon Alley is the anthithesis of classic Disney imagineering. Not beauty, but ugliness. Not the architecture of reassurance, but of unsettling, dangerous disturbance. Perhaps a natural further development of the direction WDI itself moved into in the nineties, when the ugly backsides and underbellies came to be regarded as the most interesting areas for themed environments, probably as a reaction to the reassurance architecture of old, and because it was deemed to hold intrinsic storytelling appeal for evoking tense, dangerous feelings by default. ToT descends into the ugly industrial boiler room, RnRC takes you to the backalleys, DAK has 'authentic' warts and all as its theme, in contrast to the photoshopped version of distant lands in World Showcase.

The culmination is Diagon Alley. Whereas New Orleans Square shows the gorgeous side of New Orleans, DA shows the gritty side of London. A side that is at best dull, at worst ugly, claustrophobic, dangerous. Tall, inleaning buildings to instill fear, as opposed to the miniature forced perspective quaintness of Main Street. Dark colours, not a single trace of organic manner, versus the exorbitantly colourful areas of classic Disney, always full of flowers and greenery.
It is a far cry from the beauty and reassurance of classic Disney. Albeit mitigated by being the somewhat innocent Harry Potter version of backside London.

DA stands in stark contrast to its near exact contemporary, Ratatouille in WDSP. Which depicts not London but Paris, and does so with the wide open plaza instead of the narrow, dangerous, dull backalleys, the pretty front instead of the gritty backside. The front of houses literally show the façade instead of the grim reality behind. But personally I prefer them for a theme park for that precise reason - why should the fantasy version of reality exaggerate ugliness? Why not, if for once one does have the ability to augment reality, not exaggerate beauty instead?
Because adventure!
 

wdisney9000

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Universal did about 12 Billion less in theme park revenue last year compared to disney....

Universal's operating costs are probly substantially lower though. Pound for pound they are gonna be just fine in the profits department. If Disney continues to drum up lackluster, short term offerings and hard ticket events they will continue to loose precious vacation days to Uni who is offering new, creative, big ticket items, not just food and drinks after dark and ice skating.

I wanna see Disney step it up more than anybody but theyre not exactly churning out magic right now and Avatar will be years down the road. Disneys gotta do more than just the bare minimum now, they must do something big, my only fear is that they will put a heavy emphasis on Avatar because they think its an ace up their sleeve even though theyve got waaaaaay better IP to work with.
 

CinematicFusion

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You want Disney to do something....then you need the Potter land to be beyond successful.
You need it to increase attendance at universal by a minimum of 15 percent at both of their parks.

It needs to slap Disney across the face and wake them up that there is true competition in Florida.

Yes...universal is building the better rides at this point in time.
Yes.... Disney is destroying universal in attendance...it isn't even close.

The latter needs to change, you want Disney to drop a billion in new themed areas/rides at WDW?

Then pray potter land is the greatest attendance draw of all time.

If the attendance numbers don't scare Disney...they aren't going to do anything.
 

EpcoTim

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You want Disney to do something....then you need the Potter land to be beyond successful.
You need it to increase attendance at universal by a minimum of 15 percent at both of their parks.

You're just making up that number, aren't you?

And thanks, bit I don't really care if Disney does anything (hint-they won't), I also don't need Potter to be successful and I especially don't need attendance at universal to escalate 15%.

Your concern for my well being is much appreciated though.
 

WDWDad13

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You want Disney to do something....then you need the Potter land to be beyond successful.
You need it to increase attendance at universal by a minimum of 15 percent at both of their parks.

It needs to slap Disney across the face and wake them up that there is true competition in Florida.

Yes...universal is building the better rides at this point in time.
Yes.... Disney is destroying universal in attendance...it isn't even close.

The latter needs to change, you want Disney to drop a billion in new themed areas/rides at WDW?

Then pray potter land is the greatest attendance draw of all time.

If the attendance numbers don't scare Disney...they aren't going to do anything.


I agree...

I don't see this potter addition having as big of an impact with attendance (percentage increase) as the first potter expansion did...a lot of the same guests will go back for sure to check it out, but I don't expect a mass flood of newbies that haven't been before that will increase their attendance a huge margin like before (it will be some for sure, I just don't suspect as high).

and before everyone starts throwing stones at me and asking for me to leave... this is NOT bashing Uni in any way
 

CinematicFusion

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Original Poster
You're just making up that number, aren't you?

And thanks, bit I don't really care if Disney does anything (hint-they won't), I also don't need Potter to be successful and I especially don't need attendance at universal to escalate 15%.

Your concern for my well being is much appreciated though.


You sound like a Disney CEO....no wonder things are moving so slow at WDW. :)
 

CinematicFusion

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Original Poster
I agree...

I don't see this potter addition having as big of an impact with attendance (percentage increase) as the first potter expansion did...a lot of the same guests will go back for sure to check it out, but I don't expect a mass flood of newbies that haven't been before that will increase their attendance a huge margin like before (it will be some for sure, I just don't suspect as high).

and before everyone starts throwing stones at me and asking for me to leave... this is NOT bashing Uni in any way

If universal can't increase attendance with the entire Potter world, Disney will have a huge smile on its face.
We will just have to wait and see.
 

WDWDad13

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If universal can't increase attendance with the entire Potter world, Disney will have a huge smile on its face.
We will just have to wait and see.

I think they will increase attendance over last year... but I don't think the jump will be quite as high as it was year to year from when we saw the the first potter expansion.
 

EpcoTim

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You sound like a Disney CEO....no wonder things are moving so slow at WDW. :)

I'm serious. If you think Bob Iger is sitting at home on the toilet right now, thinking about what effect Potter is going to have on Universals Attendance than your nuts. Iger knows how to fix attendance. Iger has the ability to fix an attendance issue. But Bob doesn't have an attendance issue.

No, right now Bob is sitting at home, on his toilet, probably looking at himself in the mirror, but also pondering the merchandising that Potter is going to bring in for Universal. That Bob can't have. That's something Bob won't get with Pandora either. Bob could have it with his other franchises, but Bob needs to step up and offer unique and specialized items. Thats what Bob is thinking about on his toilet this morning. If Universal can get away with huge profit margins, even bigger than his, by offering unique and localized merchandise, than Bob needs to figure out a way to offer that same sort of merchandise.

Right now, as Bob sits on his toilet, attendance doesn't matter. Unless potter drastically draws from WDW's numbers then Potter attendance really, really doesn't matter. Bob knows that. Bob doesn't care about that this morning. As Bob fans the air around him, what he wants, besides an open window, is Universals ability to create creative and profitable retail experiences.
 

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