Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...

[WDWDad13]

But the one in the parade doesn't look anything like a "real" flesh and blood dragon.

and the concrete stationary one on top of a building does? I didn't think we were comparing "real"ness cause honestly I've never seen a real one to know lol

 

[AEfx]

If they can't fix the Yeti, how the heck are the new crazy advance Navi AAs going to work.

We're actually expecting AA's?

At this point, since it seems at least the Soarin' 2.0 will be in 3-D (I am sure Cameron insists on this, given his obsession), I'm fully expecting "blank" looking things with projections on them.

After what they did to the dwarves, I have no doubt that those pesky actual real animatronics are going to become a thing of the past.

 

[danlb_2000]

and the concrete stationary one on top of a building does? I didn't think we were comparing "real"ness cause honestly I've never seen a real one to know lol

It looks a lot more real the the one in the parade which just looks a machine, not a living thing. My point is you really can't compare them, even though they are both dragons they represent two totally different things and server different purposes. I am a huge fan of dragons and I personally think both of them are excellent for the purposes for which they were designed.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Since you're all so good at spelling, Here's a little thing called math...

In 2013 the Magic Kingdom's attendance was about 18mil people, Universal's IOA/Harry Potter park was about half that at 9mil, and Universal's original other park was about half of IOA at 4.5mil.

While no one can prove how many people only went to one or all of these places, the numbers seem indicate that half of that 9mil who went to IoA went to both Uni and IoA last year, and the other 4.5mil went some where else or went to IoA twice, or let's say the also went to the Magic Kingdom.

So if 4.5mil people in 2013 "only" went to the 2 Uni parks, and the other 4.5mil both Uni and MK, that means there were about 13.5mil people who "only" went to MK in 2013, and had no interest in Uni or Harry Potter. So are you implying that if Disney had built Harry Potter on their own property it would some how make it more popular than it is at UNI? Because that's seems to be the argument being made by this dumb article...

If roughly 13.5mil of Disney's guests didn't care to go see "Harry Potter-land part 1" last year, why would those same people suddenly want to go and see "HP-land part 2" this year? that doesn't make any sense, because there was about 18mil people who paid to get in MK last year, 11mil paid to get in Epcot, and 10mil at AK, and another 10mil at DHS, for a grand total of about 50 mil, and they also bought food and merch and rented a room and of that 50 mil, theoretically? in best case scenario? only 4.5mil, about 10% also went to see Harry Potter, and I'm assuming that more that 10% of the people who go one of WDW parks on vacation go some where "besides" WDW anyway.

People keep wanting to believe that because Harry Potter is very popular among "some" people that it is some how popular to "all" people. Star Wars is very popular among "some" people, but not "all" people want to pay the extra price to go to a Star Wars Weekend. There is a limit to how popular a movie or IP is, and how many people are interested in paying to experience it in a theme park

First you cannot make up numbers to try to prove your point. Get real numbers, get evidence, get proof them come back and make your point.

Something you forgot to include, how many people didn't go to Universal last year cause they knew Potter 2.0 was coming this year? Kind of tosses your made up argument into the shredder. Maybe those people went to Disney last year instead, and now this year or next will visit Universal.

 

[Quinnmac000]

We're actually expecting AA's?

At this point, since it seems at least the Soarin' 2.0 will be in 3-D (I am sure Cameron insists on this, given his obsession), I'm fully expecting "blank" looking things with projections on them.

After what they did to the dwarves, I have no doubt that those pesky actual real animatronics are going to become a thing of the past.

Thats what Cameron said. We are going to get AAs with 64 axles of motion, something about being the most advanced AAs in the world. But who knows.

The animatronics for the Na’vi characters are gonna be fantastic. For example, their early animatronics would use 12 axis of motion and I think the most they’ve ever done was 32 axis recently. I think they’re up to 64 just in the face of the Na’vi characters.”

 

[AEfx]

Thats what Cameron said. We are going to get AAs with 64 axles of motion, something about being the most advanced AAs in the world. But who knows.

Interesting.

Even though I think the IP is crap, if they have well-done AA's, I'll be mildly excited.

 

[Nubs70]

Thats what Cameron said. We are going to get AAs with 64 axles of motion, something about being the most advanced AAs in the world. But who knows.

64 axis? That should work right for about 6.5 days. At WDW, 62 will break with only the 3rd metacarpal and groin actuators still operational.

 

[hsisthebest]

if Potter was the biggest "mistake" in 20 years, what happened 20 years ago that was an even bigger mistake? Lion King?

 

[EpcoTim]

Thats what Cameron said. We are going to get AAs with 64 axles of motion, something about being the most advanced AAs in the world. But who knows.

Since no one ever, corporation, producer, athlete, erect etc.......never.....none....has ever over-hyped anything, than this should be taken as gospel. Thank you.

 

[LAKid53]

If Disney had gotten Harry what would it have looked like? I seem to remember that they were not planning on going all out like Uni has. I think there was dark ride and Character M&Gs.

I agree. Uni had to go all out to compete with the giant down the road. Other than HP, what does Uni have left to compete with Disney? Some great thrill rides, but that is about it. Both Universal and IOA can be done in 2 days, tops. How many families will spend the money to fly to Orlando just to visit Uni? We've always tacked it onto a visit to the Mouse House. And we live in Florida just a few hours drive from Orlando.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

If they can't fix the Yeti, how the heck are the new crazy advance Navi AAs going to work.

It will work for the media previews... Maybe the first two weeks of running. Then he will join forces with Disco Yeti & Snow White.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

I bet there's some way Disney is able to keep Universal's buses off their property, or else we'd already see shuttles all over the TTC.

Eh...Basically they already are...
Mears runs shuttles from Disney resorts to Universal.

 

[nor'easter]

I agree. Uni had to go all out to compete with the giant down the road. Other than HP, what does Uni have left to compete with Disney? Some great thrill rides, but that is about it. Both Universal and IOA can be done in 2 days, tops. How many families will spend the money to fly to Orlando just to visit Uni? We've always tacked it onto a visit to the Mouse House. And we live in Florida just a few hours drive from Orlando.

Because there is not much new at WDW we are actually tacking on a two day visit after we visit Universal.

 

[rioriz]

and the concrete stationary one on top of a building does? I didn't think we were comparing "real"ness cause honestly I've never seen a real one to know lol

As a Uni fan I can agree with you...I will take Maleficent over Stony any day....now if Stony moved then it hands down her

 

[dadddio]

Well, one is absolutely immersive and contains excitement and experiences jammed into every little nook and cranny while the other looks nice but contains very, very little in the way of substance.

So no, it really isn't just "a matter of opinion".

That certainly did read like a big, fat opinion, but whatever.

 

[rioriz]

Thats what Cameron said. We are going to get AAs with 64 axles of motion, something about being the most advanced AAs in the world. But who knows.

What this tells me is Cameron is hand on with this project and we knew how picky he is

 

[dadddio]

haha yes it has if it makes 150 million id be shocked..although im not sure Planes will do better

What a strange thing to say. I'm absolutely sure that Planes will do better because they did it last year.

 

[twebber55]

What a strange thing to say. I'm absolutely sure that Planes will do better because they did it last year.

what do you mean
planes made 90 million last time

 

[dadddio]

First you cannot make up numbers to try to prove your point. Get real numbers, get evidence, get proof them come back and make your point.

Something you forgot to include, how many people didn't go to Universal last year cause they knew Potter 2.0 was coming this year? Kind of tosses your made up argument into the shredder. Maybe those people went to Disney last year instead, and now this year or next will visit Universal.

And maybe they'll go to both Universal and WDW.

These arguments are useless.

 

[seascape]

And maybe they'll go to both Universal and WDW.

These arguments are useless.

We will not know this year's attendance numbers until they come out in about 11 months. Until then the only thing we know for certain is hotel occupancy is up year to date in Orlando. I love the Florida open records laws. Thanks to them we get the real tax numbers and occupancy rates. We also get to know all the permits and who is buying land and where. I am sure it would have been nice if this were the case back in the 60's when Disney was buying all the land.