News Disney plans to include a black Santa Claus at Walt Disney World this year as the company continues its diversity and inclusion program

Cliff

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I dont think that children need as much "protection" from the world as many people think. The sooner they realize the world is a complex and confusing place the better!

Besides, kids today are WAY more sophisticated then we used to be 30+ years ago. The internet will show them WAY more confusing things than a simple white/black Santa.

I'd just go with the "Santa is a shape-shifter creature that can be whatever you want him to be" approach.

The first time kids see this?...they wont ever care or worry about Santa's ethnicity ever again.
 

Brian

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The people on here crying about how can they possibly explain a black Santa to their precious little children are the same ones who cry about how can they possibly explain men wearing red shirts in the park in June to their precious little children. Very telling.
You must not be a parent. Otherwise, you wouldn't mock parents trying to do what's right by their children as best they can.

Your disdain for the relationship between a parent and their child is very telling.
 
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Lilofan

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I find it hard to believe that most kids haven't already seen a black Santa somewhere. It's not like Disney is breaking new ground with this; there have been black Santas for decades. I remember seeing a couple as a kid in the late 80s/early 90s.
In the Netherlands , the festival of Sinterklaus or St Nick showcases Santa in blackface makeup and hardly anyone that lines up the streets for the parade celebration blinks an eye.
 

Cliff

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You must not be a parent. Otherwise, you wouldn't mock parents trying to do what's right by their children as best they can.

Your disdain for the relationship between a parent and their child is very telling.
Ok... but what psychological damage do you actually think that a black Santa or female Santa or ANY kind of Santa would cause to a child?

Would a black Mickey or black Superman or or even a white Black Panter either?

Are we "that" fragile as a society?
 
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Brian

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Ok... but what psychological damage to actually think that a black Santa or female Santa or ANY kind of Santa would cause to a child?
None.

Would a black Mickey or black Superman or or even a white Black Panter either?
Mickey is an animated (and fur) character. That's taking it too far in my mind.

Black Superman or white Black Panther, go right ahead. I don't really care. Others seem to be very bothered by the idea of a white Black Panther though.

Are we "that" fragile as a society?
Yes, on both ends of the ideological spectrum.
 

champdisney

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So the answers on my comment have gone pretty much as I expected - which amounts to grownups explaining their cultural hang-ups to kids. Explanations that will still leave the kids puzzled as to why Santa is suddenly a different color. Because kids crave continuity. They're trying to learn about the world, and the explanation regarding a suddenly black Santa is comparable to telling kids that 2 plus 2 equals five.

Ever read a story to a kid over and over again? (Because kids often demand that you do.) And if you have experienced this, what happens if you get a part wrong? The kid will often catch it and demand you correct it. (This even happened to J.R.R. Tolkien when he read his first drafts of "The Hobbit" to his children). But, but, but, WHY would a kid care if there's suddenly a difference? Because kids crave continuity. That's how they make sense of the world.

Tell you what, though...if you want a way to tell a kid Santa isn't real, tell them that the reason for a black Santa is that "people are different, and skin color doesn't matter". That applies to the general population, but Santa isn't the general population. He is an icon for children who expect him to look a certain way because of mass media. All THAT explanation will do is make the parent feel virtuous, and the kid confused. Try putting a different-colored nose on Rudolph. Get the picture?

And someone explain to me...why is it so bad that Santa is usually portrayed as being white? Is a white person supposed to feel disenfranchised because Tiana is black? Or Mulan is Chinese? Or Jasmine is Arabian?

Bottom line: the black Santa bit is just another example of wokeness overreach by Disney. THAT'S what's irritating about all this. A company that's overcharging in its theme parks while corner-cutting on attractions and even food is at the same time virtue-signaling, and that really really REALLY ticks me off. You talk about lack of continuity. How can a company be open-minded and tight-fisted at the same time? Iger is doing his best to make that so. Nuts to him.
Try not to let it bother you. We're in an age where multi-verses are a huge thing in entertainment. Kids are understanding the concept. How many different versions of Spider-Man are there now?

Take Santa Claus in the same vein.
 

Angel Ariel

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You must not be a parent. Otherwise, you wouldn't mock parents trying to do what's right by their children as best they can.

Your disdain for the relationship between a parent and their child is very telling.
I am a parent, and I don’t have a problem with this move at all. If this were to happen with DD, we would simply say either Santa is magic and can change his appearance (she’s certainly seen enough Tv shows where this can happen..), or that all of the Santas outside of the North Pole are Santa’s helpers, the real Santa is at the North Pole preparing for Christmas. It really does not have to be confusing.

Parents aren’t a monolith in beliefs any more than any other group is. 🤷‍♀️
 

Cliff

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None.


Mickey is an animated (and fur) character. That's taking it too far in my mind.

Black Superman or white Black Panther, go right ahead. I don't really care. Others seem to be very bothered by the idea of a white Black Panther though.


Yes, on both ends of the ideological spectrum.
Well?...mice DO come in many dark colors. Mickey just happens to be a very light colored mouse. Whatever color he is...that wont hurt any child. I'm certain of this.

Also...a white Black Panter is also 100% harmless as well.
 

JoeCamel

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Try not to let it bother you. We're in an age where multi-verses are a huge thing in entertainment. Kids are understanding the concept. How many different versions of Spider-Man are there now?

Take Santa Claus in the same vein.
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