Mindy55
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News Disney plans to include a black Santa Claus at Walt Disney World this year as the company continues its diversity and inclusion program
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I’ll give it a shot
1. Yes. And culturally, that tradition is varied. I’d wager to say that the many who visit Disney (domestically and internationally) have varied views on this
2. I think the question would be more relevant if you substituted “each one’s” for “our”
3. Well. That depends. On culture, belief, and personal views.
Santa does not share an exclusive relationship with one country nor one culture.
Nubs70
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Hey can't Santa be a "him" that identifies as a "her", a "her" that identifies as a "him", or ""they"?
I don't agree with your feedback. Is WDW overpriced, it surely is however TWDC is making attempts to capture the people of color market and get more of a piece of spending these folks to spend their discretionary income supporting TWDC. Instead of you already assuming on your specific target segment I'm more open minded than that.
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@LittleBuford - My definition of "racism" is simple. It's treating people differently than you otherwise would, based on their ethnicity or the color of their skin. I believe this is a terrible and immoral way to deal with people. I'm 100% sincere about this and I'm sure all of us agree.
However, there seems to be "two" types of "racism" in this world today:
1.) "Bad racism" = Treating people negatively with bad intention based on race.
2.) "Good racism" = Promoting and favoring people "specifically" because of their race.
#1 is bad,...we ALL agree! No question. #2 is debatable because "THAT" racism is based on "good intentions". In other words, "good racism" is designed to correct and compensate for the bad racism that has existed on Earth for thousands of years.
The fallacy is...you cannot correct and fix racist thinking....by using MORE racist thinking! We are teaching ourselves NOT to use race as a factor in dealing with each other,...then turn right around again and say that we SHOULD use race as a factor as long as our intentions are good.
Which is it? Are we NOT supposed to look at skin color...or are we SUPPOSED to look at it?
You can't fix bad racism by trying to reverse it with good racism. Racism needs to be eradicated from ALL of our thinking. Negative AND positive!
Only THEN will we achieve the social equality goals we are all looking for.
However, there seems to be "two" types of "racism" in this world today:
1.) "Bad racism" = Treating people negatively with bad intention based on race.
2.) "Good racism" = Promoting and favoring people "specifically" because of their race.
#1 is bad,...we ALL agree! No question. #2 is debatable because "THAT" racism is based on "good intentions". In other words, "good racism" is designed to correct and compensate for the bad racism that has existed on Earth for thousands of years.
The fallacy is...you cannot correct and fix racist thinking....by using MORE racist thinking! We are teaching ourselves NOT to use race as a factor in dealing with each other,...then turn right around again and say that we SHOULD use race as a factor as long as our intentions are good.
Which is it? Are we NOT supposed to look at skin color...or are we SUPPOSED to look at it?
You can't fix bad racism by trying to reverse it with good racism. Racism needs to be eradicated from ALL of our thinking. Negative AND positive!
Only THEN will we achieve the social equality goals we are all looking for.
Santa is not really my area of expertise. I’m sure there are shared values amongst cultures. And there are probably some differing values. Some Nordic cultures believe Santa is a gnome. For all I know he could be smack dab in the middle of the Fjording store in the Norway pavilion - just watching and making his list.
John park hopper
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"You are going to have a majority of white people taking their picture with black Santa celebrating how “diverse” they are."
I'm confused are you criticizing white people for having their picture taken because it's look at me? But if white people don't have their picture taken they are racist. Damned if do damned if you don't?
I'm confused are you criticizing white people for having their picture taken because it's look at me? But if white people don't have their picture taken they are racist. Damned if do damned if you don't?
Clearly your strong dislike on TWDC is evident in their ways to improve diversity and inclusion. I fully support Disney's approach to this and they will continue to do so to attract more people of color to support the company.
Club Cooloholic
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Santa Claus or Saint Nick or Father Christmas...who are we depicting and expecting? The depiction you have is thanks to a very effective Coca Cola campaign. So I would say what he is supposed to be depends on who you ask.
ImperfectPixie
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You'd think with global travel being so easy and convenient at this point, and ethnicities and cultures mixing and overlapping all over the place, that skin color would cease to be a means of defining a person by "race". We're all part of the same human race. Sure, we may be different nationalities and from different cultures, but at this point we should be using those traits to celebrate each other and to find commonalities where cultures have borrowed from each other in the past. (Santa Claus is a pretty dang good example of cultural "borrowing".) The comedian Jo Koy does a few bits in his special "Comin' in Hot" that talk about ethnicity a lot...Hawaiians, Mexicans, Filipinos, and Asians in general...but the way he does it, it's clear how much he loves all the different cultures and their history. THAT is the kind of attitude we should all have towards each other.
Jo Koy rocks! especially when he does the accents of people from various countries.
Robbiem
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This is the best explanation I’ve read. Equality should be based on equality of opportunity for everyone not equality of outcome by favouring one group over another on any basis
Club Cooloholic
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Should all Santas at WDW have to look like Disney produced Santa Clause Santa, Tim Allen?
Club Cooloholic
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BTW
What if there was a white Black Panther?
Answer (1 of 7): In comics, there already is one. He’s referred to as the White Wolf (just like Bucky is in the MCU), but his real name is Hunter. When he was a child, Hunter and his family had crash-landed in Wakanda, so King T’Chaka decided to adopt and train him. Technically, Hunter is T’Chal...
Hopefully not looking like a very rough and drunk Santa played by Dan Akyroyd in Trading Places.
That would be awesome. Disney owned Miramax at the time this was made.
Tell me that this wouldn’t be the perfect EPCOT Santa
El Magnifico, This wouldn't be the perfect EPCOT Santa.
ImperfectPixie
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Speaking of which...who owns the Miramax catalogue? I know Weinstein owns Dogma...but what happened to the rest of it?
No idea. I know Disney got out somewhere around 2010