It works also CEO Garg of Better.com used remote to lay off 900 staff on a Zoom call.
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Disney Parks office-based employees begin returning to work locations
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mikejs78
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That's just sh***y.
MrMichaelJames
Active Member
Most of the culling is not highly experienced engineers. Its recruiting, HR, etc.
Anyone that says remote work doesn't work doesn't know how to do it or is trying to save their management job because they don't know how to do it.
It works for some not for all. The Better.com CEO fired 900 staff on Zoom based on staff low productivity among reasons to lay them off.
mikejs78
Premium Member
That's a failure of leadership, not a failure of remote work.
EeyoreFan#24
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I’ve seen senior leaders fight to keep teams remote citing productivity gains. I’ve seen others fight to keep them in the office. Remote seems to be the leader right now just ahead of hybrid.
We offer remote work to any position it makes sense to. It’s competitive. It may change, but I don’t see a overnight change anytime soon.
It’s to the point wher office space can be reduced substantially using the “hoteling” concepts. If you only have 1/4 in the office on a given day, you don’t need the space.
Bad workers are just bad workers. Either in the office at home, you can’t fix that problem with a change of scenery.
We offer remote work to any position it makes sense to. It’s competitive. It may change, but I don’t see a overnight change anytime soon.
It’s to the point wher office space can be reduced substantially using the “hoteling” concepts. If you only have 1/4 in the office on a given day, you don’t need the space.
Bad workers are just bad workers. Either in the office at home, you can’t fix that problem with a change of scenery.
MrMichaelJames
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You don't have much respect for your employees then. I would hate to work for you. Just simply the way you said the above proves you have ZERO respect for those that work for you or for remote employees. You are stuck in your ways and refuse to grow.
4 quick reasons employees like remote work:
1. They aren't stuck for hours in the car/train/bus getting to and from the office only to sit around on zoom calls all day
2. They are more productive because they don't have managers hanging over them all day long asking what their status is
3. They are more productive because they don't have team members bugging them all day long asking how their weekend was or other random chatter
4. They spend less money on lunches, gas, etc because they aren't doing #1
The myth of "collaboration" is also thrown around by middle and upper management. Collaboration does not mean hanging out on a smoke break talking about the game from the weekend. Collaboration does not mean dropping into someone's cube/office to distract them because you heard a funny story or rumor. Context switching is a major problem and it happens way more in the office and causes way more productivity problems than anything else. In office work for many types of jobs is dead. I will never return to an office. I manage 40+ people scattered around 5 different timezones around the world. We are more productive now than we ever were in an office.
Set expectations , if not met, you're fired.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
5. They are less productive due to distractions.
6. They are less productive due to their supervisor not being nearby.
And this is coming from someone who has worked remotely since 2015. It works for some individuals, but not all. It works for some departments, but not all. It works for some types of businesses, but not all. And how a person feels about remote work will likely depend on their personal experiences with it.
The biggest thing I miss about not being in an office is the person connection with people. It matters...and I think it is clear as we look at society today..in all aspects of life.
MrMichaelJames
Active Member
If they had 900+ people who were not productive that is a problem with their hiring process and/or not enough work to do (aka over-hiring) not remote work.
This.
Well if they wont commute in to be laid off how else should he do it? Papyrus?
Disstevefan1
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You sound just like a manager I worked for in 1986...
FullSailDan
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It's very culturally dependent. My company is 100% remote now and we are way more productive than when we were in the office. We're logging more hours too. The CEO and I are often up early and late working on things together. I basically work non-stop most weekdays from 5am to 7 or 8pm most weekdays. If we stuck to office culture I'd be in at 8 or 9 and work until 5 or 6, then take some of it home. Your idea of remote workers being lazy has been proven multiple times over to be incorrect. Productivity is largely driven by how your team is managed and run, not where they are.
There are some things that I miss, yeah having the developers in a room white-boarding ideas out with me is one of them. But I also don't have to commute, get to eat what I want (i always ate at my desk so nothing new there), and I'm around for family when it matters.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
To bring is back to Disney. Iger and the company are not making this decision simply because they want to be jerks. If the company was benefitting from the current structure, they would continue it and/or make it better. But an adjustment like this obviously means it just isn't working as is.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Employees choose where they want to work and live. I live ten minutes from my office. If someone buys a house two hours away, that's their fault, not mine.
You must have crappy managers. My employees are officially all three day hybrid, but we all come in five days a week because we actually like each other.
"Random chatter" is where innovation happens. "Hey what do you think of this idea I've been kicking around" works a lot better walking down to the cafeteria for lunch than it does on Slack.
See #1.
Right. Chatting with your friends about your weekend is unproductive, but folding laundry for an hour or getting in a quick game of Call of Duty makes employees "more productive."
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Huge dub for the employees, then. Way to stick it to management working those 75 hour weeks because you're always on the clock.
networkpro
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I'll agree to disagree. Go look at thelayoff website and look at the Verizon, ATT, Cisco, T-Mobile, IBM, Amazon, Google, etc. company topics. You'll see lots for the frontline grunts and softskill job categories, but also a lot of entire technical groups terminated from top to bottom.
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mikejs78
Premium Member
That's bad management, not leadership.
This is the common argument, but has been proven over and over again to be false. And if an employee isn't productive because their supervisor isn't nearby, then their supervisor is not a good leade.r.
A zoom call is fine - but it should be one on one, not some mass layoff thing. That's the decent, human thing to do, and the fact that he laid off 900 people on one Zoom call tells me exactly what kind of leader he is.
No, most upper management at traditional companies does it because they honestly believe the productivity myths of in-office collaboration.
Random chatter can happen in a remote environment. Innovation can happen in a remote environment. You have to, as a leader, put the structures in place to do it. I work at a highly collaborative, highly innovative successful tech company, and we are 100% remote.
You're naming the legacy companies that smaller, more innovative companies are soaking up talent from.
Disney Irish
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While we all have our own opinions, mine being that I've worked remotely for 5+ years and am more productive at home than in the office, its up to each company, manager, and employee to decide what is best. What works for one company isn't going to work the same for another.
However with a lot of work becoming very global where teams/employees are not all in a single location and have to work with each other remotely anyways it really doesn't matter where one sits as long as they do the job, and this includes creative type work.
However with a lot of work becoming very global where teams/employees are not all in a single location and have to work with each other remotely anyways it really doesn't matter where one sits as long as they do the job, and this includes creative type work.