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Disney not following their Ten Commandments?
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captainkidd
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Frank Wells. Eisner AFTER Wells died. That's the part you should focus on, that's what he was talking about. Eisner was not the white knight.
There's no telling how much great stuff Disney would have accomplished had Frank Wells not died.
That's really my point. All anyone focuses on is after Wells died, not before. Eisner did more good for the company than bad.
People, let's be honest - If it wasn't for Roy, Walt would have destroyed the company long ago. No one seems to ever bring that up though.
redshoesrock
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Many people would disagree with both your statements, myself included. If Roy would of had his way rather than Walt, things like Snow White and Disneyland would never have happened; Roy was dead set against taking risks like that. As for Eisner, well, I certainly can't deny that the Walt Disney Company was making more money after he left than when he came on board. There are other reasons for that besides acquiring ABC (which he can take credit for) and the Disney Renaissance (which he can't; Eisner was considering shutting down feature animation until Roy E. Disney convinced Eisner to let him take it over), much of which involves cost-cutting measures. But of course, isn't that the eternal argument on these boards? The fact that Disney is now more about "the almighty dollar" than it is about "unsurpassed quality"? And we lay that right at the feet of Mr. Eisner.
Jimmy Thick
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Frank Wells. Eisner AFTER Wells died. That's the part you should focus on, that's what he was talking about. Eisner was not the white knight.
There's no telling how much great stuff Disney would have accomplished had Frank Wells not died.
Um, what exactly did Frank Wells do for the American parks? What did he develop and put to light besides the Disney Store and Disneyland Paris. Don't make this guy out to be this great innovator because he's dead, Eisner was the true leader of turning Disney around and had more to do with more attractions we are currently enjoying than anyone, including Walt.
If Wells, died or not, it was still Eisner's show. Wells was a business man, he was Eisner's Roy, but not that extreme.
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redshoesrock
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Unlike Eisner, Wells was very approachable and would listen to concerns from lower Disney management; in contrast, Eisner had (has) a somewhat abrasive personality coupled with a "my way or the highway" attitude. In terms of the parks, Wells took the time to thoroughly understand the business and understand how and why it worked. Eisner tended to see the parks more in terms of "how much money can we wring out of them?" More importantly, Wells was just about the only person Eisner would listen to if a plan of Eisner's had a flaw or just wasn't smart business; he was sort of a check on Eisner. Once Wells died, Eisner's worst personality traits came out while he surrounded himself with "yes men and women" who never challenged him like Wells could.
captainkidd
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Eisner's way certainly worked in the 80's and 90's.
There are 2 sides to every story.
captainkidd
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First of all, Walt was the innovator, and we all know that. However, he was a terrible business person. If it wasn't for Roy, neither Disneyland or WDW would ever have been built.
To blame any of where the parks are at today on Eisner is ridiculous. This isn't the Presidency of the United States we're talking about. Eisner brought the Disney company from the brink of financial disaster to the height of success. Any of the current issues lay on the shoulders of both Iger and Meg Crofton. It's their job to take care of the parks, and it's been that way for quite some time.
Being disliked and failing at your job are 2 different discussions. People seem to confuse them when speaking of Eisner.
Jimmy Thick
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Did you actually know Frank Wells to make this statement? Once people pass away people for the most part only remember the good of that person and not the bad, so to be brutally honest, no one actually knows what Frank Wells was like, or none will want to tarnish his memory.
And Eisner was going to be Eisner, if Frank Wells was there or not, Eisner put the company back on track for success, and he did it without Wells. And on top of it, I can think of at least 3 attractions he personally green lighted for the parks, I can't think of one Wells did. Wells was not as important as people make him out to be, and people should realize Eisner was extremely important for what the company currently is. Eisner was better for the parks then most people want to admit, and thats a real shame, the man deserves an iron bust in every Disney park like Walt and Roy, yes, he was that important, people who think differently are completely ignorant.
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biggiedisney123
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Go have a look at the sad state of the dr seuss area in universal and then tell me disney isn't handling upkeep reasonably well.
we actually had more of an issue with upkeep inside the contemporary rather than in the parks....there was a hole in the drywall in the hallway to our our room that went unrepaired for 9 days while we were there, along with missing artwork....jus sayin.
we actually had more of an issue with upkeep inside the contemporary rather than in the parks....there was a hole in the drywall in the hallway to our our room that went unrepaired for 9 days while we were there, along with missing artwork....jus sayin.
Jimmy Thick
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Disney DOES handle upkeep extremely well, but people need to complain about something.
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SleepingMonk
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We were just there a few weeks ago and everything looked bright and fresh. Nothing glaringly obvious or in a state of disrepair.
So far as I remember (it's been a little over a month), I don't remember ANY maintenance problems with Seuss Landing...though I admit it can use some new paint here and there.
thelookingglass
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What a lot of people don't understand with Seuss Landing is that it is supposed to look "faded". The colors and hues in Dr. Seuss books are not bright and blinding. And yes, I was there recently and there was literally nothing wrong.
Also, Universal has stepped up their game tremendously, maintenance wise, since WWoHP opened. I've visited frequently since it opened, and no longer do I ever see any glaring maintenance issues or important effects not working on their rides.
In the current state, you really can not say the same for Disney's attractions, where its rare to ride an attraction and not notice something that isn't working, or maybe a general feel of being in need of a refurbishment.
That said, Disney's upkeep is still excellent... when compared to most other parks in the world. But Disney themselves set the bar so high in the past, and they aren't reaching it these days. Since you are paying extreme ticket prices for what should be a top notch experience, its not "nit-picky" to expect them to keep the special effects on their attractions working correctly.
Also, Universal has stepped up their game tremendously, maintenance wise, since WWoHP opened. I've visited frequently since it opened, and no longer do I ever see any glaring maintenance issues or important effects not working on their rides.
In the current state, you really can not say the same for Disney's attractions, where its rare to ride an attraction and not notice something that isn't working, or maybe a general feel of being in need of a refurbishment.
That said, Disney's upkeep is still excellent... when compared to most other parks in the world. But Disney themselves set the bar so high in the past, and they aren't reaching it these days. Since you are paying extreme ticket prices for what should be a top notch experience, its not "nit-picky" to expect them to keep the special effects on their attractions working correctly.
ddbowdoin
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I have to say the same for myself... two trips in 10 months for a combined 14 days and everything was up and fine the whole time.
misterID
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my father worked with Disney under Wells and Eisner, and yes, Eisner gets WAY too much credit. When Eisner ran things without Wells it went down hill. In almost every aspect. Ask anyone who actually worked with the 2 men.
redshoesrock
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To succeed in business you need innovation. I certainly don't deny Roy's business acumen nor his role in making The Walt Disney Company into what it was; he was very vital in securing funds and keeping the company afloat during hard times like after WW2. However, take a look at what the company was in the 1970's: the company had stagnated and lost so much foresight and innovation (Walt's department, not Roy's) that about 70% of the company's yearly revenues during that time came from Disneyland and WDW. And of the 30% from their media, the vast majority of money came from theater re-releases of Walt-era animated features. Now as far as the theme parks, talk to anyone who went to Disneyland under Eisner's chosen president Cynthia Harriss and you'll learn everything you'll need to know about how Eisner viewed the Parks and Resorts division. Can any of the current issues be laid at Eisner's feet? Not many, though having to spend over a billion dollars to in essence gut and rebuild California Adventure from the ground up does come to mind. However, what I would lay at Eisner's feet is the corporate culture he created at Disney: that by banking on the Disney name you can sacrifice long-term quality for short-term profits.
Did I know Frank Wells? No more than you know Michael Eisner, so please, if you're going to criticize me and throwing stones for making statements about Frank Wells' attitude and business acumen, just remember that you live in the same glass house about Michael Eisner. (BTW, you can think of only three attractions that Eisner greenlit? As head of the company, he would of had final say and greenlit all attractions between 1984 and 2005). Now as to where I'm getting my information from, I would encourage you to read the following books which discuss the Michael Eisner era at Disney (as well as Frank Wells' role in it) - then we can talk:
The Keys to the Kingdom: The Rise of Michael Eisner and the Fall of Everyone Else
DisneyWar
Realityland: True-Life Adventures at Walt Disney World
As I said in my previous post, I won't deny Michael Eisner did some good things for Disney. However, what I will continue to say again and again is when you stack the negatives of Eisner and Eisner's decisions to the positives, he always comes up lacking. Always.
rkelly42
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I guess I will have to consider myself lucky, because I have not been to wdw and had any problems on SM, ToT and Dinosaur. I have been at times when rides have been down for their refurbs which is understandable.
flavious27
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I love just the character of Buckle, he really is everything we expect in an imagineer.
