BuddyThomas
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Yes, I know. I already said I stand corrected. In fact, I’ll just go ahead and delete the post.
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Well if youre vaccinated and boosted, statistically you are safe. More dangerous driving to work or taking public transportation.
Tom P.
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You have the opportunity to get vaccinated and get a booster shot. You also have the opportunity to wear an N95 mask if you so choose, even in places where it is not required. If you take those precautions, you are statistically at almost zero risk. That is not hyperbole. There is literally no way your risk could be any lower unless Covid were completely eradicated, which is not going to happen. The long and short of it is that, at this point in the pandemic, if you take the proper precautions, you *are* safe at work or wherever else you go, regardless of what other people do or do not do.
TrainsOfDisney
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If I’m working at a job where masks are required for all employees and guests and now masks are no longer required that does change my risk level.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
By how much do you think?
Tom P.
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Statistically, no, it doesn't. The protection that you receive from the vaccine and the booster, plus the protection you receive from a well-fitted N95 mask, essentially makes you at zero risk, regardless of what others around you are doing.
You mean like those people forced out of their job for not getting vaccinated?
Also I’m not sure why anyone would base policy on your “feelings”
ToTBellHop
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I have yet to see a study show a statistically-significant reduction in risk for a vaccinated, booster person wearing an N-95 if others are wearing a mask or not. While logic may suggest it would lower risk, the data do not show that as far as I’ve seen. We could collect more data, of course, but I would imagine by the time those data are reported, we will be out of masks regardless. Also, there comes a point where we say “we won’t do this to lower your risk of death from 0.00024% to 0.00022%”. Numbers are made up but you get the point.
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SingleRider
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Pure speculation but Friday could be an interesting news day.
bdearl41
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My whole family got it. My wife the only one boosted had the worst of it. The boosters are not that much better than just the original vax. Get the original two or one dose(JNJ) and you’ll have the T cells and B cells to keep your symptoms lower.
ToTBellHop
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Personal anecdote ≠ statistically-significant reduction in severe outcomes in multiple studies with high sample sizes
No one on social media seems to understand this.
BuddyThomas
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I'm sorry to hear about your family. However, regarding your assertion on boosters:
From CDC:
- Although COVID-19 vaccines remain effective in preventing severe disease, recent data pdf icon[1 MB, 68 pages] suggest their effectiveness at preventing infection or severe illness wanes over time, especially in people ages 65 years and older.
- The recent emergence of the Omicron variant further emphasizes the importance of vaccination, boosters, and prevention efforts needed to protect against COVID-19.
- Data from clinical trials showed that a booster shot increased the immune response in trial participants who finished a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna primary series 6 months earlier or who received a J&J/Janssen single-dose vaccine 2 months earlier. With an increased immune response, people should have improved protection against getting infected with COVID-19. For Pfizer-BioNTech and J&J/Janssen, clinical trials also showed that a booster shot helped prevent severe disease.
From WebMD:
"But even highly effective vaccines often become less so over time. Early research on vaccines that use mRNA to protect you from the coronavirus, like those from Pfizer and Moderna, suggest that they eventually lose some of their power against infection and serious illness, no matter the variant of the virus (like Alpha, Beta, or Delta). Getting another shot several months after the first round, called a “booster shot,” can help supercharge the vaccine’s effectiveness.
The CDC and FDA both recommend getting a COVID-19 booster shot if you’re eligible."
COVID Vaccine Booster: Everything You Need to Know
Are COVID-19 vaccine boosters really necessary? Here’s everything you need to know about why, when, and who needs a booster.
www.webmd.com
I freaking hate needles worse than anything in the world, but if I can get stuck three times, anyone can.
Tom P.
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Perhaps not, but something else that no one seems to understand is that people are much more motivated by personal anecdotes than by scientific studies. That might be foolish, but it's human nature.
Let me give you a 100% real life scenario. When the vaccines became available last year, I was one of the earliest to go get vaccinated. Because I work in higher education, I was eligible even before the general public. I got both doses of the Moderna vaccine. A few weeks after my second dose, I had a heart attack. At age 45.
Now, intellectually, I know that there is probably no connection between the vaccine and the heart attack. None-the-less, because of that experience, there is no way in hell I will ever get another Covid vaccine dose. Not a chance. They can pass every mandate and restriction in the book. I won't get it.
You can tell me that's irrational, and that's fine. I'm willing to be irrational in this case. And I'm telling you, lots more people are motivated by that kind of personal experience than will ever be motivated by a peer reviewed study in a medical journal.
ToTBellHop
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I am sorry to hear about your heart attack and grateful for your recovery. Here’s to your health.
I understand using personal anecdote to make personal choices. Too many extend their anecdotal stories to make unfounded recommendations they think everyone should follow.
Case in point: “I know someone who was vaccinated and still got sick so we all need to wear masks forever!”
Vegas Disney Fan
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I agree, it may not be practical but we’re much more affected by what happens to family and friends than what happens to strangers we read about in a study.
I’ve now know about 30 people who’ve had Covid, only 2 were serious, 1 was unvaccinated and recovering from a heart attack when he got it, nearly killed him but thankfully he fully recovered, he’s since been fully vaccinated but got a mild breakthrough case of Omicron, the second is a vaccinated and boosted friend who’s currently in the hospital on oxygen, she’d been fighting cancer though so a pretty unique situation. All my other friends who got it, whether vaxxed or unvaxxed, were all in good health and all had mild cases.
My takeaway, whether right or wrong, is that our overall health probably has a bigger impact than anything else (with the exception of the vaccine) in determining if we have a mild or severe case. Because of my personal experiences I spend more time trying to be healthy (eating better and exercising) now than I did a year ago, it doesn’t guarantee I won’t get a bad case but purely from my experiences I think it’s worth it.
marymarypoppins
Active Member
I think part of that is because we were sold false info on this vaccine. It does not prevent spread or infection to vaccinated folks like myself. So now those who like to use their vaccine status like a virtue signal and blame non vaccinated people for the state of the world have nothing left to hold on to except mask . It is like their little security blanket!
ToTBellHop
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It is frightening to me how few people understand basic biology. Public messaging has indeed been awful throughout this pandemic but it is ludicrous that anyone with a Ph.D. in biological sciences or an M.D. said these vaccines prevent infection or spread. No vaccine does that. It’s impossible. Did someone at the CDC, FDA, or NIH actually say that? I hope not. Because literally the moment they said “94.1% efficacy” that meant it couldn’t prevent all infection or spread.
DisneyCane
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What I don't understand (since I don't live in Nevada and never really paid attention) is why the Gaming Control Board controls the mask mandate inside casinos. Isn't the task of the GCB to make ensure that casino games are fair and that there is no cheating going on? What does public health have to do with the GCB? They allow smoking in casinos. If public health was part of their charter shouldn't they ban smoking so that I don't have to sit next to a chain smoker while playing blackjack?
DisneyCane
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The spread of SARS-CoV-2 and it causing people to get COVID-19 are not "over." What is "over" is everybody in society being required to do things to protect others when the others can protect themselves if they wish to.
Hopefully this will be "over" at WDW before next week since I plan to stop by to check out the International Festival of the Arts and would prefer not to have to wear a piece of fabric over my nose and mouth every time I step inside.
marymarypoppins
Active Member
On my way so work so I can't link all of he examples but here are 2.
"CDC Director Rochelle Walensky: “Our vaccines are working exceptionally well … but what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”"
"Biden then addressed vaccine requirements for medical workers: "We’re making sure health care workers are vaccinated, because if you seek care at a health care facility, you should have the certainty that the people providing that care are protected from COVID and cannot spread it to you."
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