News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[bdearl41]

How Does a Pandemic End?

Nobody quite knows how the COVID-19 pandemic will end. Here's what we can learn from the 1918 flu

time.com

Yes, even if we did nothing it would end, we’d just have a higher death toll before it happened.

Had it not mutated to Delta it probably would have ended 6 months ago, thankfully Omicron happened and cut Deltas death toll short… Omicron has a very good chance of ending this with how infectious it is and it’s antibodies being effective against the other strains, as long as it doesn’t mutate into something that evades omicron antibodies it’s likely over in another month or two.

I really hope you’re right.

 

[Incomudro]

Exactly, they may not be fully protecting you from outside particles, but they’re certainly decreasing spread if you’re a carrier. At the end of the day that’s absolutely better than nothing.

But by how much?
I'm sorry, I don't believe we should institute ridiculous practices that don't have a proven impact, or more correctly - a large proven impact on health and safety.
Doing something to stop "some degree of spread" is what we are doing.
What degree?
Out of those who it is spread to, what degree develop serious illness?
We don't know.
We were social distancing (something I'm much more fond of) for the same hypothetical benefit. Now we are not.
To what degree did social distancing reduce spread? We don't know, but apparently it was decided the practice wasn't worth it anymore.

 

[KrzyKtty]

And the unvaccinated? I was talking generic spread from kids hence immunocompromised. But those are two groups who are at risk from kids.

I have no pity for unvaccinated people getting exposure from children if they are medically able to able to be vaccinated. It does really stink for all the other people who can't get vaccinated for true medical reasons, to have everybody else around them act poorly. But it's not going to change at this point, so I have to assume anybody that cannot be vaccinated, needs to take precautions and stay home.

If you are unvaccinated, immunocompromised, and still going to places like Disney, you're being a lot a bit stupid.

And I say this with 2 family members currently in the hospital do to covid. Because my aunt managed to find the one doctor who confirmed her bias to not get her husband vaccinated due to medical reasons. And then decided to convince the entire family to not get it too. So when my cousin came home from work sick, and still went over for the Christmas Eve get together, every single person in the family except one got covid. Even the one person who was vaccinated.

 

[correcaminos]

I have no pity for unvaccinated people getting exposure from children if they are medically able to able to be vaccinated. It does really stink for all the other people who can't get vaccinated for true medical reasons, to have everybody else around them act poorly. But it's not going to change at this point, so I have to assume anybody that cannot be vaccinated, needs to take precautions and stay home.

If you are unvaccinated, immunocompromised, and still going to places like Disney, you're being a lot a bit stupid.

And I say this with 2 family members currently in the hospital do to covid. Because my aunt managed to find the one doctor who confirmed her bias to not get her husband vaccinated due to medical reasons. And then decided to convince the entire family to not get it too. So when my cousin came home from work sick, and still went over for the Christmas Eve get together, every single person in the family except one got covid. Even the one person who was vaccinated.

I do not discount feelings of others. I realty don't. I, and I mean just me and my feelings, cannot ignore even chosen ones (legit cannot are definitely the ones I feel the most for). Likely because I know there are still hardships/barriers/issues for some. I absolutely do not discount your feelings or way you're wrong for them.

I hope your family will be okay. I am so sorry that happened.

 

[disneygeek90]

But by how much?
I'm sorry, I don't believe we should institute ridiculous practices that don't have a proven impact, or more correctly - a large proven impact on health and safety.

I guess I don't find asking guests to wear masks in large indoor crowded areas that people traveled all over the world to visit in the middle of a pandemic ridiculous.

 

[Diamond Dot]

I make my own masks, I use two layers of good quality cotton with an inner layer of S13 interfacing, a non woven fabric. I will continue wearing masks until it is absolutely not neccessary, that's my choice, having caught flu only once and knowing exactly how I got it, a customer at the store I worked in sneezing in my face then asking advice on cold and flu products, I know how easily and unexpected catching a virus can be.

It's not a part of natural development for children to not see full human faces.
What we are doing to them is sick and sadistic.

But, do you have a problem with parents who are staring at a phone while walking with their kids or pushing a stroller with very young children and showing more attention to that phone than talking to or communicating with their kids or give a child a phone or tablet as an electronic babysitter? Masks are not on 24/7, children get plenty of opportunity to see full human faces at home. Children have been starting school with zero communication skills since long before Covid, but, after smartphones became common.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

We all might get Omicron with how contagious it is but with how clogged the hospitals are right now you simply aren't doing your part if you declare the war over and stop trying to NOT get infected.

 

[Incomudro]

I guess I don't find asking guests to wear masks in large indoor crowded areas that people traveled all over the world to visit in the middle of a pandemic ridiculous.

It's ridiculous if we don't know the actual effect.
We could tell the population to wear silly hats on their heads too, but if that doesn't have a significant and measurable effect - what's the point?

 

[disneygeek90]

It's ridiculous if we don't know the actual effect.
We could tell the population to wear silly hats on their heads too, but if that doesn't have a significant and measurable effect - what's the point?

I think there's enough scientific research (common sense?) to explain why wearing hats wouldn't protect against covid. If you're that skeptical, here's a peer reviewed article you can look into. If you want to go ahead and tell them their research is wrong, go for it.

"The ability of masks to filter particles depends on the particle size and trajectory, with smaller floating aerosols more challenging to filter than larger particles with momentum (66). Because speech produces more particles containing the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and because transmission of SARS-CoV-2 without symptoms is associated with URT shedding, where particles formed through vocalization are likely to contain the virus, we should be particularly cognizant of the role of speech particles in transmission (59)."

"There are no studies that have directly measured the filtration of smaller or lateral particles in this setting, although, using Schlieren imaging, it has been shown that all kinds of masks greatly limit the spread of the emission cloud (79), consistent with a fluid dynamic simulation that estimated this filtration level at 90%"

"There are many designs of cloth masks, with widely varying levels of fit. There have been few tests of different designs. A simple mask cut from a t-shirt achieved a fit score of 67, offering substantial protection from the challenge aerosol and showing good fit with minimal leakage (90)."

 

[Polkadotdress]

It's ridiculous if we don't know the actual effect.
We could tell the population to wear silly hats on their heads too, but if that doesn't have a significant and measurable effect - what's the point?

I am immunocompromised. And I have worn: cloth masks, double masks, surgical masks, and N95 (only recently) throughout this whole pandemic. And I regularly am exposed to many people via work.

But guess what? So far, so good. Those masks have kept me from catching Covid.

Anecdotal? Yes. Is it "proof enough" for me? Yes.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

I am immunocompromised. And I have worn: cloth masks, double masks, surgical masks, and N95 (only recently) throughout this whole pandemic. And I regularly am exposed to many people via work.

But guess what? So far, so good. Those masks have kept me from catching Covid.

Anecdotal? Yes. Is it "proof enough" for me? Yes.

Agreed. Masks when worn correctly are absolutely effective. Don't listen to the poster with a bikini clad woman as their avatar.

 

[LittleBuford]

Agreed. Masks when worn correctly are absolutely effective. Don't listen to the poster with a bikini clad woman as their avatar.

She's a belly dancer from the Morocco pavilion, actually.

(You're right about masks, though.)

 

[mkt]

But by how much?

Source Control to Block Exhaled Virus​

Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment, along with any microorganisms associated with these particles. Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger), but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns which increase in number with the volume of speech and specific types of phonation. Multi-layer cloth masks can both block 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured. Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments, with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control. In one study, conducted prior to widespread circulation of the Delta variant, masks worked equally well for blocking aerosolized particles containing both “wild-type” virus and the Alpha variant (a more infectious variant).

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

There's the link, with sources listed in it as well.

 

[Incomudro]

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Source Control to Block Exhaled Virus​

Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment, along with any microorganisms associated with these particles. Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger), but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns which increase in number with the volume of speech and specific types of phonation. Multi-layer cloth masks can both block 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured. Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments, with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control. In one study, conducted prior to widespread circulation of the Delta variant, masks worked equally well for blocking aerosolized particles containing both “wild-type” virus and the Alpha variant (a more infectious variant).

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

There's the link, with sources listed in it as well.

We have no idea how this is actually working out in the real world.
The real world where people wear "face coverings."
Cloth masks, surgical masks, as well as double layer and N95 masks.
The real world where people where the same mask day after day, often ill fitted, gapped, below their nose etc., etc.
We have no idea what the impact of actual mask use as performed by the general public has done to reduce spread.
It's likely done something, but what?
Under what circumstances.
It's been basically decided that outdoor mask use of little merit.
We abandoned social distancing.
Gave up on hand washing and surface cleaning.

 

[mkt]

We abandoned social distancing.
Gave up on hand washing and surface cleaning.

Who's we?

I never did.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

We have no idea how this is actually working out in the real world.
The real world where people wear "face coverings."
Cloth masks, surgical masks, as well as double layer and N95 masks.
The real world where people where the same mask day after day, often ill fitted, gapped, below their nose etc., etc.
We have no idea what the impact of actual mask use as performed by the general public has done to reduce spread.
It's likely done something, but what?
Under what circumstances.
It's been basically decided that outdoor mask use of little merit.
We abandoned social distancing.
Gave up on hand washing and surface cleaning.

People don't wash their hands anymore? News to me.

 

[mkt]

People don't wash their hands anymore? News to me.

Given that people want to be contrarian just because, and will spout any sort of BS to justify their point (when a simple I don't want to is enough), I wouldn't be surprised if hand-washing isn't as common as before.

Keeping their hands dirty to own the [insert group of people opposite from the dirty hand person on whatever spectrum they wish]

 

[sullyinMT]

People don't wash their hands anymore? News to me.

I recently stopped showering altogether when our Delta wave broke and before Omicron got going locally. But it affected my marriage in ways I did t consider. Unintended consequences owned me!

 

[Lilofan]

I recently stopped showering altogether when our Delta wave broke and before Omicron got going locally. But it affected my marriage in ways I did t consider. Unintended consequences owned me!

Actor Matthew McConaughey showers but admits he doesn't wear deodorant because he wants to smell like a man!

 

[LittleBuford]

Actor Matthew McConaughey showers but admits he doesn't wear deodorant because he wants to smell like a man!

Well, when you look like he does, you can afford to pong a little.