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MisterPenguin

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Well, since the NYT wants these articles to be free....

A Texas anti-mask organizer has died from Covid-19.


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Caleb Wallace addressed a public meeting in the city of San Angelo, Texas, in November.Credit...City of San Angelo, Texas
Caleb Wallace, a leader of the anti-mask movement in central Texas who became infected with the coronavirus and spent three weeks in an intensive care unit, has died, his wife, Jessica, said on Saturday.

“Caleb has peacefully passed on. He will forever live in our hearts and minds,” Mrs. Wallace wrote in a post on GoFundMe, where she had been raising money to cover medical costs.

Mrs. Wallace had said recently that her husband’s condition was declining and that doctors had run out of treatment options. On Saturday, he was to be moved to a hospice at Shannon Medical Center in the city of San Angelo so that his family could say their goodbyes, she said.

Mrs. Wallace, who is pregnant with the couple’s fourth child, recently told the San Angelo Standard-Times that when her husband first felt ill, he took a mix of vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin — a drug typically used to treat parasitic worms in both people and animals that has been touted as a coronavirus treatment but was recently proved to be ineffective against the virus.

Mr. Wallace, 30, who campaigned against mask mandates and other Covid policies that he saw as government intrusion, lived in San Angelo for most of his life and worked at a company that sells welding equipment. He checked into the Shannon Medical Center on July 30.

Earlier that month, Mr. Wallace had organized a “Freedom Rally” for people who were “sick of the government being in control of our lives.”
He founded the San Angelo Freedom Defenders, a group that hosted a rally to end what it called “Covid-19 tyranny” according to a YouTube interview.
Mrs. Wallace had said her husband respected her own decision to wear a mask. “We joked around about how he was on one side and I was on the other, and that’s what made us the perfect couple and we balanced each other out,” she told the San Angelo Standard-Times.
She added that her three children are up-to-date on their vaccines and that she herself planned to get a coronavirus vaccine after the birth of her baby in late September. “We are not anti-vaxxers,” she said.

Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations have been on the rise in Texas over the past few weeks. In Tom Green County, which includes the San Angelo area, cases have increased by 50 percent over the past two weeks, and hospitalizations have risen by 33 percent, according to a New York Times database.
At Shannon Medical Center, the intensive care unit is about 70 percent occupied, according to a New York Times tracker. The U.S. average of I.C.U. occupancy is about 68 percent, while the state average in Texas is 94 percent.




An unvaccinated, unmasked California teacher gave the coronavirus to half of her students.



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Despite efforts to mitigate the risks of the coronavirus in Marin County, Calif., a teacher who was unmasked and unvaccinated infected her students with the Delta variant.

Despite efforts to mitigate the risks of the coronavirus in Marin County, Calif., a teacher who was unmasked and unvaccinated infected her students with the Delta variant.Credit...Jim Wilson/The New York Times
An unvaccinated elementary schoolteacher infected with the highly contagious Delta variant spread the virus to half the students in a classroom, seeding an outbreak that eventually infected 26 people, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The unusually detailed study, which comes as school districts across the country reopen, seems certain to intensify the debate over vaccine mandates in schools. A handful of school districts, including New York City, have already announced vaccine requirements for teachers and staff.

The classroom outbreak occurred in Marin County, Calif., in May. Neither the school nor the staff members and students involved were identified.

The teacher first showed symptoms on May 19, but worked for two days before getting tested. During this time, the teacher read aloud, unmasked, to a class of 24 students, despite rules requiring both teachers and students to wear masks indoors.

All the students were too young for vaccination.

On May 23, the teacher reported testing positive for the coronavirus. Over the next several days, 12 of the students also tested positive.

Delta in the Classroom​

Half of the elementary students in a California classroom were infected after an unvaccinated, symptomatic teacher taught for two days before getting tested.


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In the classroom, rates of infection roughly corresponded to the seating chart. Everyone in the front row tested positive, tapering to 80 percent in the first two rows.

In the back three rows, only 28 percent of students tested positive. “If teacher has no mask, move to the back of the class,” Edward Traver, an infectious disease fellow at the University of Maryland Medical Center, said in a Twitter message.

Six students in another grade at the school also tested positive for the virus. The cases spread outward from the school into the community: At least eight parents and siblings of the infected students, three of whom were fully vaccinated, were also infected.

State health researchers sequenced specimens of the virus from many of the positive cases and found the Delta variant in all those they sequenced.

The outbreak was most likely fueled both by Delta’s high level of infectiousness and by the fact that the teacher did not follow recommended safety precautions, the researchers said.

“We have to make sure both schools and individuals are working together to make sure we are safe,” said Tracy Lam-Hine, an epidemiologist at Marin County Health and Human Services and an author on the new report. “It can’t be just one or the other.”
 

LittleBuford

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Mrs. Wallace had said her husband respected her own decision to wear a mask. “We joked around about how he was on one side and I was on the other, and that’s what made us the perfect couple and we balanced each other out,” she told the San Angelo Standard-Times.
This part really caught my attention. Too many people are framing this as an issue involving reasonable differences of opinion. There is no "balance" here; one side is simply mistaken.
 
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Mr. Moderate

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This is one of the things that sticks out to me in the article that was posted and I quote it below.

That when her husband first felt ill, he took a mix of vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin — a drug typically used to treat parasitic worms in both people and animals that has been touted as a coronavirus treatment but was recently proved to be ineffective against the virus.

Not only was he foolish to not wear a mask and literally make it his hill to die on, but when did we as a culture and some of our fellow Americans become so stupid? The fact that Poison control centers across our country have been seeing large numbers of people poisoning themselves ivermectin, when being repeatedly told by health specialists you shouldn't ingest it, astounds me. I'm sorry his kids are going to have to grow up without a father and he won't be around to see his new born baby, but there comes a time where personal responsibility comes into play and the bill comes due. This didn't have to be and all of this could have been avoided by him just wearing a mask when out in public and taking some simple precautions. Ugh...
 

Trauma

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This is one of the things that sticks out to me in the article that was posted and I quote it below.

That when her husband first felt ill, he took a mix of vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin — a drug typically used to treat parasitic worms in both people and animals that has been touted as a coronavirus treatment but was recently proved to be ineffective against the virus.

Not only was he foolish to not wear a mask and literally make it his hill to die on, but when did we as a culture and some of our fellow Americans become so stupid? The fact that Poison control centers across our country have been seeing large numbers of people poisoning themselves ivermectin, when being repeatedly told by health specialists you shouldn't ingest it, astounds me. I'm sorry his kids are going to have to grow up without a father and he won't be around to see his new born baby, but there comes a time where personal responsibility comes into play and the bill comes due. This didn't have to be and all of this could have been avoided by him just wearing a mask when out in public and taking some simple precautions. Ugh...
As much as this is being framed as a discussion about his anti mask stance, I would be willing to bet he was not vaccinated.

If he was vaccinated he would probably still be alive today mask or no mask.
 

Chip Chipperson

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As much as this is being framed as a discussion about his anti mask stance, I would be willing to bet he was not vaccinated.

If he was vaccinated he would probably still be alive today mask or no mask.

I'm certain he wasn't vaccinated. His wife said, "We're not anti-vaxxers," but never said he was vaccinated. That exclusion combined with his anti-mask and anti-restrictions stances and taking ivermectin because it's the latest miracle cure hyped by snake oil salesmen lines up with the, "I'm not getting that vaccine," crowd. She might be planning to get the vaccine as she said, but she already indicated that they were on opposite ends of the COVID-19 spectrum.
 

philly97flyer

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Didn't they just reduce their mask requirements on outside lines and theaters? Or was that just a clarification of the requirements? I seem to remember it was around two weeks ago - they originally went beyond the Orange County request and required masks in outdoor lines and on rides, etc., then reduced the requirement to only indoors.
Don’t let doom and gloom get in the way of some good old fashioned fearmongering
 

Angel Ariel

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Pretty hysterical that restrictions come back AFTER the peak.

Logical: No restrictions at all.
Logical: Constant restrictions.
Logical: Restrictions on the upswing.
Incoherent: Restrictions only after the peak.

while ridiculous that it happens that way, it isn’t incoherent imo.

People see cases go down, lighten restrictions. Cases begin to rise, people stick their head in the sand and fight loudly and vehemently to keep the new “freedom”. Only once it’s clear that this is getting worse and worse do people start to remove their head from the sand…at which point it has peaked, and now people have backed off and restrictions get put in again.

Illogical. Yup. 💯with you there. Incoherent? Ehh, not so much.
 

dovetail65

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This part really caught my attention. Too many people are framing this as an issue involving reasonable differences of opinion. There is no "balance" here; one side is simply mistaken.
So right.
Fearmongering that is common with the anti-vaxxers overloading our hospital system is similar to the delta variant. Both are spreading and contagious.
Yesterday I am talking with a woman I know in my FL Neighborhood.

I ask how is Covid down there. She says to me well I know 6 people that died in the last 30 days, they were my dads friends and all older(she acted like age means it's okay and one was 66, yeah real old). She goes on to say next week we may have to boil water because Covid is taking up all the oxygen or something like that. Then she says my sons surgery was cancelled, I am so mad they said the hospital was 95% full with Covid patients. Then she says well my kid can't go to school anyhow because there are about 10 thousand kids in Quarantine down here and he is one of them, he should be in school, his best friend has Covid not my kid. Finally she says, I am not vaccinated and won't ever be because I think this Covid thing is overblown! TRUE STORY!

This is what we are dealing with, it's mind boggling.

It doesn't occur to her that her actual life is a poster for why we all need get vaccinated..
 
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Angel Ariel

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So right.

Yesterday I am talking with a woman I know in my FL Neighborhood.

I ask how is Covid down there. She says to me well I know 6 people that died in the last 30 days, they were my dads friends and all older(she acted like age means it's okay and one was 66, yeah real old). She goes on to say next week we may have to boil water because Covid is taking up all the oxygen or something like that. Then she says my sons surgery was cancelled, I am so mad they said the hospital was 95% full with Covid patients. Then she says well my kid can't go to school anyhow because there are about 10 thousand kids in Quarantine down here and he is one of them, he should be in school, his best friend has Covid not my kid. Finally she says, I am not vaccinated and won't ever be because I think this Covid thing is overblown! TRUE STORY!

This is what we are dealing with, it's mind boggling.

It doesn't occur to her that her actual life is a poster for why we all need get vaccinated..
SMH
 

Incomudro

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As much as this is being framed as a discussion about his anti mask stance, I would be willing to bet he was not vaccinated.

If he was vaccinated he would probably still be alive today mask or no mask.
The story makes it sound as though had he wore a mask, he would not have gotten covid.
We have no evidence for that.
Mask wearing works on the presumption that an infected person is less likely - less likely not impossible - to spread a covid infection to another person.
Not that your mask is blocking an intake of covid.
Unless, of course the wearer is wearing an n95 mask.
Mask wearing works like the idea of missile defense shields: Some missiles will make it through, but there will be less total damage than if there was no missile defense system.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Mask wearing works like the idea of missile defense shields: Some missiles will make it through, but there will be less total damage than if there was no missile defense system.
I'm not convinced that ordinary, off the shelf masks do even that.

I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation of why Hawaii (mask mandates and extremely high compliance) has seen the exact same Delta spike as Florida and Texas.
 

Disney Analyst

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This part really caught my attention. Too many people are framing this as an issue involving reasonable differences of opinion. There is no "balance" here; one side is simply mistaken.

That’s where I struggle. People on the other side of this moan about the division that the media or government has created, how we need to respect other opinions, blah blah.

Meanwhile I am sitting here thinking “no, the government and media did not divide us. You divided us, because you are completely factually wrong, and deliberately pass along terrible information that preys on those stuck in a fear cycle.”

Honestly, I’m sick of people trying to act like there is room for opinions in this type of situation. Covid doesn’t cares what any of us thinks or feels, we need to tackle it from a place of science, fact, and all hands on deck.
 

Andrew C

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Honestly, I’m sick of people trying to act like there is room for opinions in this type of situation.
Of course there are room for opinions. Even within the scientific community. But there are opinions, like those based on inconclusive evidence in both directions...and then there is just silliness (like the poor dude taking horse meds). I imagine people draw this line in different places....
 

Disney Analyst

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Of course there are room for opinions. Even within the scientific community. But there are opinions, like those based on inconclusive evidence in both directions...and then there is just silliness (like the poor dude taking horse meds). I imagine people draw this line in different places....

Should note I see that as a different thing. Opinion from the scientific community based on real research (not google), resulting in a theory is valid.
 

Trauma

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Wife’s sister who lives in Florida just tested positive.

She refused to vaccinated and wasn’t worried about the virus because she always wears her mask.

The mask at best is a secondary line of defense.

If you are headed to the parks and not vaccinated you ARE NOT safe just because you will be wearing a mask indoors.
 
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