News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[Chomama]

How is it acceptable to have someone or the government tell me how to live my life?
I agree, people need to get back to work! MA is having an issue now that they cannot find workers because the govt is paying too much in unemployment...open the county back up and let the people work!
Time and time again I see people outside on runs(?) wearing masks, walking on the beach, hundreds of feet away from anyone wearing masks...and whatya know, the CDC, today says that the virus has an extremely low chance of transmission in outdoors...wear your mask people, enjoy!
Ill be the one enjoying fresh air and living my life

So again I just really feel like I don’t understand your point. I don’t really see the government telling people how to live their lives. We had a brief stay at home order/request last spring. Since then most things have been open at least in some capacity. What is it exactly that the government is not letting you do? Is that done just to control you or can you take a step back and see that they are trying to look out for the greater good even if you think they might be making a mistake and how they approach that?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So again I just really feel like I don’t understand your point. I don’t really see the government telling people how to live their lives. We had a brief stay at home order/request last spring. Since then most things have been open at least in some capacity. What is it exactly that the government is not letting you do? Is that done just to control you or can you take a step back and see that they are trying to look out for the greater good even if you think they might be making a mistake and how they approach that?

It's all chest-pounding and "mah freedom!" I've been watching the same arguments get thrown around our town groups since the pandemic started.

 

[Chomama]

Let me reiterate what I said before. I am not here to argue with anybody about masks or vaccines etc. I genuinely do not understand the point of you that our freedoms are somehow being stripped away. I am not saying I don’t understand the words people are saying but I do not cognitively understand how people get to that point

 

[Tom P.]

If you can't see how dumb whining about putting a little piece of cloth over your mouth and nose during a pandemic is, there's no saving you.

There is no scientific reason for a vaccinated person to be wearing a mask at all, anywhere, ever. Even Dr. Walkensky (sp?) agreed today that the basic reason the CDC has kept that guidance in place is simply because of unvaccinated people and the difficulty of differentiating between the two. All the evidence -- 9 studies so far -- show that people who are vaccinated do not transmit the virus. I believe emergency health measures, for legitimate scientifically justifiable reasons, are okay. But mandating that people keep practicing mitigation measures unnecessarily because they expect other people to break the rules? Nope, that's crossing the line.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There is no scientific reason for a vaccinated person to be wearing a mask at all, anywhere, ever. Even Dr. Walkensky (sp?) agreed today that the basic reason the CDC has kept that guidance in place is simply because of unvaccinated people and the difficulty of differentiating between the two. All the evidence -- 9 studies so far -- show that people who are vaccinated do not transmit the virus. I believe emergency health measures, for legitimate scientifically justifiable reasons, are okay. But mandating that people keep practicing mitigation measures unnecessarily because they expect other people to break the rules? Nope, that's crossing the line.

See his comment about his feelings towards masks prior to the vaccines being available.

 

[Tom P.]

See his comment about his feelings towards masks prior to the vaccines being available.

So? I don't care. I wasn't responding to his comment, nor do I really care to debate someone who writes one-sentence retorts like "your lord Dr. Fauci."

I was offering my opinion on why retaining mask mandates for those who are vaccinated is an example of government overreach and one's rights being violated. I was responding to your comment about not understanding why people whine so much about masks. I have not whined about the mask mandates throughout the past year, nor have I disobeyed them. But I think, with vaccines universally available, they have now crossed the line from legitimate public health measure to government overreach.

 

[Chomama]

So? I don't care. I wasn't responding to his comment, nor do I really care to debate someone who writes one-sentence retorts like "your lord Dr. Fauci."

I was offering my opinion on why retaining mask mandates for those who are vaccinated is an example of government overreach and one's rights being violated. I was responding to your comment about not understanding why people whine so much about masks. I have not whined about the mask mandates throughout the past year, nor have I disobeyed them. But I think, with vaccines universally available, they have now crossed the line from legitimate public health measure to government overreach.

I guess I just see it differently. I think it is really hard for anyone to reasonably discern if someone is vaccinated or not in a public space. So for the time being it makes the most sense to keep mask mandates in public spaces until the majority of Americans are vaccinated and the rates of infection start to really decrease to something manageable. I think we are on our way and I think we are close. Do I think as a vaccinated person I need to be wearing a mask? Absolutely not. But I am going to do it because it makes sense for public health measures not for myself. I don’t think it’s at government overreach but then again I wear a mask because I choose to not because someone is telling me too. Maybe that is the difference in mentality? There is not one day in the last year that I have socially distance or worn a mask because the government has mandated it. I have done it because I thought it was the best thing I could do to protect myself and others during a global pandemic. Do I know for sure that masks help? No I don’t but I also know that they don’t hurt. I would rather do some thing that errs on the side of helping others and sacrificing my own comfort than the opposite.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So? I don't care. I wasn't responding to his comment, nor do I really care to debate someone who writes one-sentence retorts like "your lord Dr. Fauci."

I was offering my opinion on why retaining mask mandates for those who are vaccinated is an example of government overreach and one's rights being violated. I was responding to your comment about not understanding why people whine so much about masks. I have not whined about the mask mandates throughout the past year, nor have I disobeyed them. But I think, with vaccines universally available, they have now crossed the line from legitimate public health measure to government overreach.

I disagree. I think until we're sure we've reached herd immunity that they should stay at least indoors and outside when around people who aren't in your household. Because I don't trust the general public to do what's right (for obvious reasons). The last thing we need is for cases to start rising among those who are partially or not yet/refusing to be vaccinated...it just gives the virus more opportunity to mutate.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I guess I just see it differently. I think it is really hard for anyone to reasonably discern if someone is vaccinated or not in a public space. So for the time being it makes the most sense to keep mask mandates in public spaces until the majority of Americans are vaccinated and the rates of infection start to really decrease to something manageable. I think we are on our way and I think we are close. Do I think as a vaccinated person I need to be wearing a mask? Absolutely not. But I am going to do it because it makes sense for public health measures not for myself. I don’t think it’s at government overreach but then again I wear a mask because I choose to not because someone is telling me too. Maybe that is the difference in mentality? There is not one day in the last year that I have socially distance or worn a mask because the government has mandated it. I have done it because I thought it was the best thing I could do to protect myself and others during a global pandemic. Do I know for sure that masks help? No I don’t but I also know that they don’t hurt. I would rather do some thing that errs on the side of helping others and sacrificing my own comfort than the opposite.

I know what it feels like to be put on the spot and expected to throw the mask rules out the window without the protection of a vaccine (they weren't available yet). It was VERY unpleasant (I did request that they mask up - they did, but it was obvious they thought it was stupid), and I wouldn't want to be the reason someone else felt that way...even if I don't know them personally.

 

[Chi84]

I guess I just see it differently. I think it is really hard for anyone to reasonably discern if someone is vaccinated or not in a public space. So for the time being it makes the most sense to keep mask mandates in public spaces until the majority of Americans are vaccinated and the rates of infection start to really decrease to something manageable. I think we are on our way and I think we are close. Do I think as a vaccinated person I need to be wearing a mask? Absolutely not. But I am going to do it because it makes sense for public health measures not for myself. I don’t think it’s at government overreach but then again I wear a mask because I choose to not because someone is telling me too. Maybe that is the difference in mentality? There is not one day in the last year that I have socially distance or worn a mask because the government has mandated it. I have done it because I thought it was the best thing I could do to protect myself and others during a global pandemic. Do I know for sure that masks help? No I don’t but I also know that they don’t hurt. I would rather do some thing that errs on the side of helping others and sacrificing my own comfort than the opposite.

I think most people followed mitigation measures at the start without questioning them too much because we knew so little about the virus and how it’s transmitted.

But now the CDC has said less than 10% of COVID transmission occurs outdoors and multiple studies have shown that vaccinated people are not getting infected or transmitting the disease. Not everyone agrees that we should still be following measures without some assurance that they are actually helping. It’s not enough to say you’re doing something for others if what you’re doing isn’t actually having an impact. Others have a higher tolerance for mitigation measures, so their position is it’s safer to continue on as we are.

In my opinion, it’s necessary for the CDC to be more specific about why they are recommending vaccinated people to continue wearing masks. If it’s necessary to significantly reduce COVID, they should back up their opinion with the most recent studies. If it’s because we can’t tell who is vaccinated and are concerned that unvaccinated people are lying, that’s an entirely different problem with different solutions.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I think most people followed mitigation measures at the start without questioning them too much because we knew so little about the virus and how it’s transmitted.

But now the CDC has said less than 10% of COVID transmission occurs outdoors and multiple studies have shown that vaccinated people are not getting infected or transmitting the disease. Not everyone agrees that we should still be following measures without some assurance that they are actually helping. Others have a higher tolerance for mitigation measures, so their position is it’s safer to continue on as we are.

In my opinion, it’s necessary for the CDC to be more specific about why they are recommending vaccinated people to continue wearing masks. If it’s necessary to significantly reduce COVID, they should back up their opinion with the most recent studies. If it’s because we can’t tell who is vaccinated and are concerned that unvaccinated people are lying, that’s an entirely different problem with different solutions.

And that's a reasonable and nuanced take. What can we do to prevent people from lying? Or to protect people from those who are lying?

ETA: For example, I've only had my 1st dose, so I'm not fully protected yet. There are millions of people purposely skipping their 2nd dose, and then there's those who are refusing based on garbage reasons (conspiracies, etc.).

 

[BuddyThomas]

Well I don't agree that ANYONE can tell me how to live my life. I take precautions, im fully vaccinated, im not a monster. I just cherish my freedom and liberties a little more than you do, I guess. like I said, continue to live in fear, wear your mask and harbor yourself...does not bother me one bit.

Are your freedoms violated because you are required to wear a seat belt in a car? Are your freedoms violated because you are not allowed to drive drunk? Are your freedoms being violated when the mods on here go on a good old fashioned delete-a-thon and take away a bunch of posts? Are your freedoms violated because you are not allowed to stand up on Space Mountain? Are your freedoms being violated when you have to wear a seat belt on a plane and you cannot walk around the cabin when departing or landing? Are your freedoms being violated when you can't smoke in a restaurant? I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on, but the point is that you are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic that has killed over 3 million people worldwide, to date, and your freedom is not being violated in any possible way. You are simply being asked to pay respect to your fellow human beings by protecting them and yourself by common sense safety measures.

 

[Tom P.]

And that's a reasonable and nuanced take. What can we do to prevent people from lying? Or to protect people from those who are lying?

ETA: For example, I've only had my 1st dose, so I'm not fully protected yet. There are millions of people purposely skipping their 2nd dose, and then there's those who are refusing based on garbage reasons (conspiracies, etc.).

Sorry, preventing people from lying and breaking the rules is not my problem. Yes, even in a pandemic. If you can say, "you need to wear a mask because scientific studies have shown you still carry and transmit the virus," fine. But if it's, "you aren't a danger to anyone but we have to make you keep wearing the mask because other people are jerks and won't follow the rules if we let you stop," then you will never get me to agree.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Sorry, preventing people from lying and breaking the rules is not my problem. Yes, even in a pandemic. If you can say, "you need to wear a mask because scientific studies have shown you still carry and transmit the virus," fine. But if it's, "you aren't a danger to anyone but we have to make you keep wearing the mask because other people are jerks and won't follow the rules if we let you stop," then you will never get me to agree.

Honestly, after the way studies bounced back and forth early on (I spent a good 6 months early on reading every study I could find), I'm waiting for more confirmation before I buy that vaccinated people can't spread it...so yes, that's part of my reasoning.

 

[Tom P.]

Honestly, after the way studies bounced back and forth early on (I spent a good 6 months early on reading every study I could find), I'm waiting for more confirmation before I buy that vaccinated people can't spread it...so yes, that's part of my reasoning.

That's fair. I can buy that. And we can have a legitimate debate about that. But so far, there have been results from at least nine reputable studies that show they don't. And Walensky herself acknowledged that today. So it's looking pretty solid.

 

[Chomama]

I think most people followed mitigation measures at the start without questioning them too much because we knew so little about the virus and how it’s transmitted.

But now the CDC has said less than 10% of COVID transmission occurs outdoors and multiple studies have shown that vaccinated people are not getting infected or transmitting the disease. Not everyone agrees that we should still be following measures without some assurance that they are actually helping. It’s not enough to say you’re doing something for others if what you’re doing isn’t actually having an impact. Others have a higher tolerance for mitigation measures, so their position is it’s safer to continue on as we are.

In my opinion, it’s necessary for the CDC to be more specific about why they are recommending vaccinated people to continue wearing masks. If it’s necessary to significantly reduce COVID, they should back up their opinion with the most recent studies. If it’s because we can’t tell who is vaccinated and are concerned that unvaccinated people are lying, that’s an entirely different problem with different solutions.

I could not agree more. If I had one complaint about the messaging since the new president took office it would be that there is an opportunity to be positive and encourage people about what the future holds and what we can do now. That said, I know that me wearing a mask no longer protect myself or others because I am vaccinated. The only reason I wear a mask at this point ( I live in a state with no mandate)
Is that I think it makes everybody in a business’ life more difficult To try to figure out who is vaccinated and who is not. Also I have children that are not vaccinated and I am trying to set a good example for them because they still have to wear a mask to school every day. I think it makes sense for the time being to keep recommendations that we all wear masks but I don’t think that I can defend that much longer. We just need to get to a point where cases are just continuing to drop dramatically and then wearing a mask in a public place does not make sense

 

[BuddyThomas]

Look, we all want the same thing - for things to get back to normal. If people will PLEASE take precautions, we can get there. And soon we can all be here again:

 

[WDWTrojan]

Everyone here arguing about masks which, at the very least, are proven to be pretty effective indoors. Any word on when they can do away with the utterly useless temp checks?

 

[starwarsfan2]

I was at Disney Springs a few weeks ago at the bus stop mid day. A lady was sitting all alone on one of the concrete circles that surround trees. Not another person within at least 200 yards. A Disney bus driver stopped her bus, got off and scolded the lady for not wearing the mask. Geez!

 

[correcaminos]

I think most people followed mitigation measures at the start without questioning them too much because we knew so little about the virus and how it’s transmitted.

But now the CDC has said less than 10% of COVID transmission occurs outdoors and multiple studies have shown that vaccinated people are not getting infected or transmitting the disease. Not everyone agrees that we should still be following measures without some assurance that they are actually helping. It’s not enough to say you’re doing something for others if what you’re doing isn’t actually having an impact. Others have a higher tolerance for mitigation measures, so their position is it’s safer to continue on as we are.

In my opinion, it’s necessary for the CDC to be more specific about why they are recommending vaccinated people to continue wearing masks. If it’s necessary to significantly reduce COVID, they should back up their opinion with the most recent studies. If it’s because we can’t tell who is vaccinated and are concerned that unvaccinated people are lying, that’s an entirely different problem with different solutions.

Other places report smaller than 10% too. Read an article that said .1% of cases in Ireland were outdoors. If you're stationary or close contact like sports, it's higher. Going for a walk would be low.