News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

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wdwmagic

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Well, we are not left with that as the only option. We also have the option of simply doing nothing aside from trying to encourage vaccines, and letting whatever happens with Covid happen. That may not be a good option, but it is an option, and it is the option I think is most likely to occur.
It is an absolutely ridiculous option given the level of scientific understanding we have and what can be done to stop this thing dead. Simple fact is that if people had behaved like responsible human beings back in July 2020 this would have all been long over by now.
 

Tom P.

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Masks and distancing and vaccinations got Orange County to below 5% 14 day positivity rate. Removing masks and distancing has put Orange County north of 11% and climbing.
Did they? Or did a combination of vaccinations and seasonality accomplish that? If masks and distancing accomplished it, why didn't it happen in December or January instead of when it ultimately did? That's the point. We had high mask and distancing compliance throughout the times when the Covid numbers were their absolute worst.
 

CarolinaSoprano

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I've said it a few times already, but the problem is we know that a large portion of the general population does not care about the well being of others. So given the fact they those individuals choose not to do the right thing, we are left with the only option of businesses enforcing masks and distancing. This is what the Orange County mayor is asking for.
So you want to go back to the vaccinated folks having to wear masks again? That goes against the CDC guidelines. And for how long this time? Another year and a half?
 

Andrew C

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I think its more of the combination of Delta and removing masks which is why most states are seeing increases, it was inevitable in my humble opinion.
Of course (well, I would say less about the masks and more about opening up and removing capacity limits)...especially given the fact that there such a large chunk of people for whatever reason are not getting vaccinated.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Masks and distancing and vaccinations got Orange County to below 5% 14 day positivity rate. Removing masks and distancing has put Orange County north of 11% and climbing.
Vaccines. Vaccines got Orange County below 5%. It is Delta that is changing that right now.

Virtually every municipality in this country with or without a mask mandate followed that same trend as well. Tough to attribute it solely to the mask when places without the mandates (even in Florida) faired just as well.

The nature of masks and distancing didn't change in 2021, if anything it got less strict. So it would be odd for that to be the time period when they started working. The virus had no problem raging through every city all winter with masks and distancing.
 
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nickys

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Something about this study is definitely not sitting right as it is contrary to data studies in the US. But you can make numbers say anything, and perhaps there is more to this, or perhaps the study was deeply flawed in some way. No way to say for sure.
What is it that you think is flawed? The US is lagging the U.K. big time with the delta variant, you still have 2-3 months probably to see the potential effect. But that’s where you should have an advantage, because in theory you’ll have more fully vaccinated by that time.

We have 50,000 new daily cases right now. It’s expected to get to 100,000 within a few weeks. Many are asymptomatic or mild cases, but many more under 40s are ending up in ICU than before. Some of it (cases and hospitalisations ) is due to the fact that most of the 18-30s have only had one jab so far. But an estimated 20% of cases are in fully vaccinated people. I don’t know what numbers that will translate to in the US.

The U.K. is now at 67% of adults fully vaccinated, 83% have had one jab. But a third of that younger age group haven’t had one yet, despite everyone having been offered one. And we are only vaccinating 12-17 year olds who have underlying conditions that make them more prone to serious effects of Covid (or live with someone who has).
 

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So you want to go back to the vaccinated folks having to wear masks again? That goes against the CDC guidelines. And for how long this time? Another year and a half?
I would go back to everyone doing everything they can to make things better for everyone. Fact is that if people had done this from the start it would have be under control by now. The stop, start, and "I can't do this any longer" mentality has dragged this out far longer than it needed to be. It is incredible to me that those who won't play their part in this are some of the biggest complainers of how it is all just too much them to cope with. And yet their behavior is the reason for what they are experiencing. It is maddening.
 

wdwmagic

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Vaccines. Vaccines got Orange County below 5%. It is Delta that is changing that right now.

Virtually every municipality in this country with or without a mask mandate followed that same trend as well. Tough to attribute it solely to the mask when places without the mandates (even in Florida) faired just as well.

The nature of masks and distancing didn't change in 2021, if anything it got less strict. So it would be odd for that to be the time period when they started working. The virus had no problem raging through every city all winter with masks and distancing.
Yes it is very difficult to gauge, but the numbers speak for themselves in regard to Orange County. With huge numbers of people now behaving like there is absolutely no pandemic, Orange County numbers are surging. And OC health leaders are urging people and businesses to do something, and that something is returning back to some common sense and doing what needs to be done.
 

CarolinaSoprano

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I would go back to everyone doing everything they can to make things better for everyone. Fact is that if people had done this from the start it would have be under control by now. The stop, start, and "I can't do this any longer" mentality has dragged this out far longer than it needed to be. It is incredible to me that those who won't play their part in this are some of the biggest complainers of how it is all just too much them to cope with. And yet their behavior is the reason for what they are experiencing. It is maddening.
Agree. And that is why another mask mandate will not work. It would be the vaccinated folks honoring the mandate and wearing masks again(which is useless). Those same people you described would not listen to any mandate yet again. Circles.
 

CJR

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Yes it needs to be a wide reaching effort, which is what Demings is asking for. But for the sake of talking about it here on WDWMAGIC, I have been attempting to keep things WDW related. And the Disney interest here is what, if anything, will Disney do.

I hear you, but if other places outside of Disney don't cooperate, key places like grocery stores and churches, how does that entice Disney?

Most of Disney's guests are from out of state and very clearly don't want to wear masks. At the local level, it needs to be a blanket move to be effective. I doubt businesses will cooperate in unison, especially churches. Should Disney really bat an eye if it's a ineffective solution that it's own guests do not want?

It worked before because masks were required everywhere. Once the unvaccinated CM goes to get groceries, if the store doesn't honor the mayor's wishes, they're at a higher risk regardless, thus making the effort pointless to the county's numbers.

I think Orange County needs something better than more honor system. Which is really what this is.
 

Disney Glimpses

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I am really sorry but I am having an enormous amount of trouble placing so much emphasis and importance on masking when the virus raged uncontrollably despite some of the strictest mandates and highest level of compliance on earth. I just cannot get there.

If we bring back masks, we're picking the mask over the vaccine. Plain and simple. And that would be a huge mistake.

Sure, maybe we wouldn't get many more to get vaccinated with this shot. But how about the next booster? As soon as you undermine this shot, you undermine them all.
 

Andrew C

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Vaccines. Vaccines got Orange County below 5%. It is Delta that is changing that right now.
Sometimes, vaccines are pretty awesome. Anyways, here is the 2 week trend line for the US right now...just to put things in perspective.
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Starcrane

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WDW has absolutely no reason to do it and it would be utterly detrimental to their financial recovery. It is important to continue to convey the message that if you are vaccinated, you are safe; in all settings.

Masking vaccinated people (while I understand its goal is to root out unvaccinated liars) is still undermining the vaccine and fundamentally removes any motivation left for the hesitant to get vaccinated.

New people are still getting vaccinated everyday. You bring back masks, that number plummets. And when that happens, even more people die. Masks are not an equal substitute for vaccination.
Masks come back. My family cancels yet another trip. Period. Hopefully Disney can respect the science enough here.
 

wdwmagic

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If we bring back masks, we're picking the mask over the vaccine. Plain and simple. And that would be a huge mistake.
Only simple minded individuals are going to come to that conclusion. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that layers of protection in almost aspect of life are better than a single layer. Doesn't matter if we are talking home security or vaccinations.

It also needs to be understood that vaccinated individuals are still able to pass on the virus, which masks can go some way to reducing.

I just don't see the need to make it one or the other. Why can't we just do everything humanly possible to get this over with. And if that means being uncomfortable at the Magic Kingdom, tough.
 
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