GimpYancIent
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Darwin always prevails in the end. Nature enforces its own way.Wait.. what? I think people who vape or smoke cigarettes should quit.. but… I don’t believe there should be an enforcer to ensure they do
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News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks
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ToTBellHop
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I’m a scientist. They need to follow the science. Masks were ostensibly to control hospitalization numbers. They are controlled.
It would be interesting what things to put in place to actually enforce this idea.
TrainsOfDisney
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I thought the quarantine was to control hospitalization numbers?
I thought masks and social distancing were to keep the numbers down without having us quarantine?
GimpYancIent
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Well folks I do not believe continuing that debate gains anything as society, in general, is moving on. Already mask prices are going down and product is not moving. People are out and about hell even the floating petri dishes, I mean the cruise ships, are coming on line. Disney has dealt w COVID19 and survived to continue entertaining. Too bad a lot of mom and pop mask manufacturing start ups are now going out of business.
ToTBellHop
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Yep. Until we could discover a vaccine. Have you heard the good news?
Very few children die of covid. Fewer than flu. So the people dying of it now have not gotten the vaccine for various reasons. We don’t wear masks for people who don’t get flu shots and die of the flu. It’s their right to take the risk. And yes, I understand the immunocompromised. They don’t get flu shots either and adapt their behavior to cope with their condition.
The issue with a few more weeks of masking is that we need people to take public health officials seriously moving forward. The CDC has damaged trust in the Center. And I’m pro-science. They’ve made serious errors.
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TrainsOfDisney
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Ok. You are debating something I didn’t bring up. (Children and flu and such)
I thought we were going to wait until a larger percent were fully vaxxed?
ToTBellHop
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We were going to wait until “everyone who wants a shot has gotten it”. That is the case for at-risk groups. This is why governors of even the bluest states are reducing restrictions considerably. We will not see much more progress in vaccination until late 2021. You can’t expect people to mask until Christmas. Waiting 5 more weeks will have a small impact on vaccination. So it would be arbitrary.
Mindy55
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Amen
TrainsOfDisney
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But people are still getting 1st and 2nd shots and watching the calendar for the “fully vax” day. So it doesn’t seem we’ve gotten there yet... and we are so close.
ToTBellHop
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Again, we pay attention to science. We know the efficacy after just one shot is excellent (see UK). People should get both shots for long term immunity, but when determining current health measures, the % with 1-or-more doses is the important number. Fully-vaccinated % will come into play with a potential fall wave. And if we need to remask by then, it is vitally important to let people unmask now.
TrainsOfDisney
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Ok see that makes sense.
So then why are places like nyc requiring fully vax for shows? They are just wrong? Trying to be extra safe?
ColeTrain04
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People who are vaccinated shouldn’t have one concern about people who aren’t. People who are immune compromised should adjust their lifestyles accordingly. (Ps I’m immune compromised) the vast majority of people shouldn’t have their lives dictated by rules that are meant to protect the overwhelming minority of people. I’ve adjusted the way I live during flu season for years now, Covid didn’t change anything.
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ToTBellHop
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You are not a terrible person if you don’t wear a mask outdoors regardless of vaccine status. You are either awful or you read scientific studies and understand them.
Now, going indoors without a mask when unvaccinated? Sure, kinda a jerk. Mostly because it is kinda crappy to make kids under 12 wear a mask indoors while you strut around maskless. It should be all of us or none of us. And it should be none of us well before 11-year olds can get the vaccine, so...
Pull the Band-Aid off. And until then, the unvaccinated can just return to keeping their noses out at Walmart as they’ve done for 13 months.
Chomama
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As a vaccinated adult I really feel for my kids. I have 2 that got the shot and 2 that aren’t old enough. It’s so sad watching them feel left out! We are at Disney now and my 9 year old is so frustrated by adults not wearing masks inside. She keeps saying - don’t they know I can’t get a shot? We shared an elevator today with a man who shared that he won’t be getting the vaccine. She quickly retreated into the corner and gave me her concerned look. The kids have had to witness and process a horrible global tragedy. They are processing corporate trauma and it hurts to see them left behind. Even though they are lower risk they have heard about Covid for over a year and they internalize the seriousness of what has occurred. They aren’t just going to be okay. Anyway. No point really except that it sucks kids are being written off as we rip masks off.
GimpYancIent
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What happened to the "I Am A Scientist"?
LittleBuford
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Not against all variants:
But both vaccines [AstraZeneca and Pfizer] were only 33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2 three weeks after the first dose, whereas they were 50% effective against B.1.1.7.
Christina Pagel, director of the Clinical Operational Research Unit at University College London and a member of the Independent Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, said that, given these data, the government should not proceed to the next stage of its roadmap to ending lockdown before more people were fully vaccinated with two doses, given that cases of the B.1.617.2 variant rose sharply in the week to 19 May.
Covid-19: Single vaccine dose is 33% effective against variant from India, data show
The UK government has been urged to speed up giving two doses of the covid-19 vaccine after data showed a single dose was only 33% effective against the B.1.617.2 variant first detected in India, which continues to see a rapid growth in cases in the UK. A preprint paper released by Public...
I see no reason to let our guard down at the eleventh hour. After all these months, why risk it just for the sake of getting rid of masks a few weeks early?
Tamandua
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This is the most reasonable thing I've ever read on this website.
Yes there is a concern. Some people in my town contacted covid , don't have a desire to get vaccinated, continue working in service industry jobs and now no longer wear masks working directly with the public. For one thing, I know some who are in this group and with me fully vaccinated I will continue to social distance from them and wear my mask when I am around those that I know who are part of the antivaxx crowd.
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