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Disney lets child molester employee escape
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RandomPrincess
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The ship may have been based out of the Bahamas but it happened while docked in the USA. I'm sure most people are outraged by what happened to Lee Rigby, it was horrible but that is not what this thread is about.
unkadug
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Ohhh...it's about arguing!
There is a huge difference between mall security and the police. Still, if you go to mall security with a crime, they are going to pull out a pen and a form and take down a report and they are going to do things like pull security tapes and identify the bad guy if they can. They're also likely to notify their superiors prior to calling the police if a serious crime happens. Factor in the boat leaving very soon and the CM not having easy access to a telephone and its easy to imagine the police not being called prior to the boat departing.
Upon notification that an alleged crime took place, DCL was legally required to immediately notify the authorities. It does not need to be codified in the law, because it is an implied obligation to witnesses of a crime. There are a significant number of cases where witnesses have been prosecuted and gone to jail for failure to report a crime or charged as a co-conspirator. Because the ship was docked (and under the jurisdiction of Florida), and seemingly had a substantial amount of time to notify the authorities, prosecutors can allege that DCL intentionally failed to notify the police to aide the alleged perpetrator. The crime took place IN Florida...so the authorities in the Bahamas had no jurisdiction over the matter.
As far as the grandmother not pressing charges, it is not relevant. If a person is a victim of a crime, the law views that as a crime against society, not just an individual. Victims do not get to decide whether or not an alleged criminal will be prosecuted. However, criminal prosecutions get dropped because of an uncooperative victim, but usually because (s)he is often the only witness and there is no physical evidence.
If I were having lunch with my friend and he decided to confess to killing someone, I am now legally obligated to immediately (if possible) report it to the police. The longer I wait, the more likely it is I can get in trouble. IfI waited two hours to notify the police, and in that time he fled the country, the authorities can charge me as a co-conspirator, or with aiding and abetting a criminal. So DCL is absolutely in the wrong.
As far as the grandmother not pressing charges, it is not relevant. If a person is a victim of a crime, the law views that as a crime against society, not just an individual. Victims do not get to decide whether or not an alleged criminal will be prosecuted. However, criminal prosecutions get dropped because of an uncooperative victim, but usually because (s)he is often the only witness and there is no physical evidence.
If I were having lunch with my friend and he decided to confess to killing someone, I am now legally obligated to immediately (if possible) report it to the police. The longer I wait, the more likely it is I can get in trouble. IfI waited two hours to notify the police, and in that time he fled the country, the authorities can charge me as a co-conspirator, or with aiding and abetting a criminal. So DCL is absolutely in the wrong.
The two bolded bits are incompatible. In order to be legally required to do something, there must be a law requiring the action.
DCL did report the crime. They reported it to both Florida authorities and Bahamian authorities.
As evident in this thread, anyone can allege anything that they want.
Also, 'substantial' can mean different things to different people.
That is actually not correct. Since the ship has Bahamian registry, either Florida or the Bahamas could exert jurisdiction.
This is true in the case of Florida law, but perhaps not regarding Bahamian law.
Thanks for the 'if possible' clause. Also, I wonder if you could provide a citation to the law that requires you to report that your friend told you that he had previously committed a crime.
You have a pretty major logical leap there. Certainly, the ability of a prosecutor to charge a person with a crime does not make the person guilty of that crime.
This point has been made by many people, in one form or another. However, I am having trouble finding an actual law that mandates that DCL make such notification.
lazyboy97o
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Based on your post, I can only conclude that you believe that there is case law in Florida that requires a person to immediately report a crime that he/she becomes aware of. I don't believe that this is the case. (Pardon the pun.) If there is such case law out there, please provide a citation.
nytimez
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From the news account of the story:
"...a crime Disney Cruise Line said it believes it must by law report immediately."
Could a news account be incorrect? Could Disney be incorrect? Certainly - but I am going to assume the reporter got this one correct until/unless I have a better source than "some guy who makes stuff up on the Internet."
Here's what remains true and 100 percent supported by the facts: From the moment a security officer became aware of the incident, there was plenty of time to report the crime to the Port Canaveral Police Department. Plenty.
And they didn't.
Shame on them, and shame for anyone who attempts to defend this indefensible behavior with obfuscation and name-calling.
"...a crime Disney Cruise Line said it believes it must by law report immediately."
Could a news account be incorrect? Could Disney be incorrect? Certainly - but I am going to assume the reporter got this one correct until/unless I have a better source than "some guy who makes stuff up on the Internet."
Here's what remains true and 100 percent supported by the facts: From the moment a security officer became aware of the incident, there was plenty of time to report the crime to the Port Canaveral Police Department. Plenty.
And they didn't.
Shame on them, and shame for anyone who attempts to defend this indefensible behavior with obfuscation and name-calling.
The legal source that I used to try to find an applicable law was LexisNexis. I trust that source on what is and isn't illegal more than I trust some reporter. If I missed something, prove it.
First, you are the one who has been doing the bulk of the name calling, rather than actually discussing the issue. Second, you are apparently still sticking to your broken timeline. I wouldn't call that delusional, but if the shoe fits...
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