News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[UNCgolf]

It's just an opinion that Disney has focused a lot of late expanding / building new resorts to attract guests, but aren't matching the capacity needed at the theme parks. They're trying to get more and more people on property while not giving them enough to do.

I think they're a long way off from having too many rooms on-site, solely because they can spread them out across four different parks.

It's all the off-site guests that really cut into the capacity.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's just an opinion that Disney has focused a lot of late expanding / building new resorts to attract guests, but aren't matching the capacity needed at the theme parks. They're trying to get more and more people on property while not giving them enough to do.

They gave up on what we traditionally thought of “comfortable capacity” long ago

Spoiler: The secret reason

But as far as “adding rooms”…they have not. They are adding timeshare units and converting rooms into them. Different animal altogether.

And it gets worse: way more tourists in Orlando coming from off property each day…and it’s been “boom! We’re all rich!!” Building in Orlando for way too long now…
More bad news

 

[mattpeto]

It would be a potential interchange for something else heading west

The rumors was the next phase for the skyliner was a connection to Disney Springs. I'd be quite pleased if AKL gets in the mix here somehow as the next phase instead.

 

[nickys]

It would be a potential interchange for something else heading west

Is this the same something else that was being considered from AKL in the past?

 

[marni1971]

Is this the same something else that was being considered from AKL in the past?

Far as I know they can only afford cable cars. But this is long term I need to add. If ever.

 

[pdude81]

It would be a potential interchange for something else heading west

CSR and DAK, interesting. And they'd likely have to rework the drainage near that turn in the parking lot. Better get those permits moving!!!! Also I still hope for any kind of train from the hotels to DAK. I'll take a go kart and a small paved path at this point.

 

[peter11435]

CSR and DAK, interesting. And they'd likely have to rework the drainage near that turn in the parking lot. Better get those permits moving!!!! Also I still hope for any kind of train from the hotels to DAK. I'll take a go kart and a small paved path at this point.

I wouldn’t get my hopes up after the events of last week.

 

[CastAStone]

I wouldn’t get my hopes up after the events of last week.

they should build a new resort entirely in a more business friendly state like New York.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The rumors was the next phase for the skyliner was a connection to Disney Springs. I'd be quite pleased if AKL gets in the mix here somehow as the next phase instead.

It makes more sense to tie in a park that they’ve always planned on having a bigger share of the attendance - DAK - than springs.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is this the same something else that was being considered from AKL in the past?

The light rail unicorn?

Far as I know they can only afford cable cars. But this is long term I need to add. If ever.

Lol…”afford”…gets me everytime

 

[Anteater]

The light rail unicorn?

Lol…”afford”…gets me everytime

In relative cost, why is the monorail so much more expensive now than it was 50 years ago? If they can't operate the ski lift during thunderstorms, they cut the operating times of these by what, 1/4 or more?

I've been on the monorail during some of those downpours; they're no issues except they slow it down considerably likely due to visibility. But, inside, it's nice and cool with plenty of room. Too bad they've abandoned new construction of them.

 

[pdude81]

In relative cost, why is the monorail so much more expensive now than it was 50 years ago? If they can't operate the ski lift during thunderstorms, they cut the operating times of these by what, 1/4 or more?

I've been on the monorail during some of those downpours; they're no issues except they slow it down considerably likely due to visibility. But, inside, it's nice and cool with plenty of room. Too bad they've abandoned new construction of them.

Oh they can operate them during thunderstorms. They just don't want people crowding around the station to sue if they get struck by lightning or stand in a puddle when lightning strikes nearby.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In relative cost, why is the monorail so much more expensive now than it was 50 years ago? If they can't operate the ski lift during thunderstorms, they cut the operating times of these by what, 1/4 or more?

I've been on the monorail during some of those downpours; they're no issues except they slow it down considerably likely due to visibility. But, inside, it's nice and cool with plenty of room. Too bad they've abandoned new construction of them.

Because the monorail is an inefficient, high maintenance, energy guzzling albatross by today’s operational standards.

It was built as “part of the show” more than efficient transport. Intensive internal study was done when phase 3 construction ramped up…and it was a dog then. It’s only gotten worse since then.

 

[correcaminos]

Exactly what I said: building right on top of wedding pavilion that kills any chance of intimacy. And that’s what’s gonna Happen.

Father of the bride may not want to see bathing suits air drying on the balcony when he cuts the check


We won’t totally agree on this…DVC is your thing and I respect that.

I just own it. And worked on that spot. And had a wedding in Disney (not at the pavilion though)

Just spitballing.

We can agree to disagree. Didn't marry at Disney (due to religious crap) but love runs deep for that area. I actually never liked the pavilion and wanted a vow renewal at Sunset Pointe. People said the same about VGF and it isnt an issue. The new PVB whatever will be attractive to brides too I am sure.

I really think the distance is going to be far enough. The beach area is closer to Fiji/Tuvalu/Aotearoa and only the resort end will be even remotely close. We still have Francks in between too.

So what do we think the future build resorts will be at wdw? Just DVC? Any moderates at all if they’re having trouble filling deluxe rooms? Are they content with their inventory and don’t plan any new builds at all and just focus on conversions?

They already tore down part of CBR.... let's be real here. A good possibility why Reflections was nixed was because it was adding deluxe rooms. You know, what they struggle to fill anyway.

 

[pdude81]

Because the monorail is an inefficient, high maintenance, energy guzzling albatross by today’s operational standards.

It was built as “part of the show” more than efficient transport. Intensive internal study was done when phase 3 construction ramped up…and it was a dog then. It’s only gotten worse since then.

Electric motors are still much more efficient than gas engines though, right? So we're talking more about control systems and load/unload times at this point. Maintenance I can understand but I imagine we could redesign these trains to use fewer, more reliable parts. That leaves the tracks themselves.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

It makes more sense to tie in a park that they’ve always planned on having a bigger share of the attendance - DAK - than springs.

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, as it would also connect the only park with only bus transportation to 2 big resorts who also only have bus transit (as well as connecting to a larger system). But as someone pointed out yesterday with the relatively slow speed of the gondolas I believe (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), it would make for pretty long transit times from AKL to either Epcot or DHS.

 

[UNCgolf]

Because the monorail is an inefficient, high maintenance, energy guzzling albatross by today’s operational standards.

It was built as “part of the show” more than efficient transport. Intensive internal study was done when phase 3 construction ramped up…and it was a dog then. It’s only gotten worse since then.

I imagine they could fix that with newer trains etc. -- and it's probably a more efficient means of transport than the Skyliner, although that's if costs are ignored.

 

[UNCgolf]

But as someone pointed out yesterday with the relatively slow speed of the gondolas I believe (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), it would make for pretty long transit times from AKL to either Epcot or DHS.

I've mentioned this elsewhere -- the Skyliner would not be an ideal means of transport across longer distances. They don't move quickly anyways, and they have to slow down even more for any turn stations. Some of the trips people have hypothesized about here could easily be 45+ minutes long. AKL to EPCOT/DHS wouldn't be that bad, but trying to use it to get all the way to the Magic Kingdom would be a nightmare.

If they could do a straight line connection from AKL to the DHS Skyliner stop it would probably only be a 10 minute trip, but I don't think a straight line would be possible because it would run through the middle of both Animal Kingdom and DHS.

And that's not even factoring in that it won't run during thunderstorms.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, as it would also connect the only park with only bus transportation to 2 big resorts who also only have bus transit (as well as connecting to a larger system). But as someone pointed out yesterday with the relatively slow speed of the gondolas I believe (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), it would make for pretty long transit times from AKL to either Epcot or DHS.

Wouldn’t that be a benefit? The longer the “scenic ride” from hotel to park to park…the less crunch on time and space in the park.

This was on another thread awhile ago…but I was told from what would qualify as a “trusted source” that the reason the parks/lines/food crunch has been such a mess recently is that no one is park hopping/leaving the park because of the fear of the crowds…

That can’t be understated…for 30 years as a mechanism and attendance grew…the time it took for people to hop allowed a lot of bottleneck alleviation through the parks. It just wasn’t obvious to point to.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've mentioned this elsewhere -- the Skyliner would not be an ideal means of transport across longer distances. They don't move quickly anyways, and they have to slow down even more for any turn stations. Some of the trips people have hypothesized about here could easily be 45+ minutes long. AKL to EPCOT/DHS wouldn't be that bad, but trying to use it to get all the way to the Magic Kingdom would be a nightmare.

If they could do a straight line connection from AKL to the DHS Skyliner stop it would probably only be a 10 minute trip, but I don't think a straight line would be possible because it would run through the middle of both the Animal Kingdom and DHS.

And that's not even factoring in that it won't run during thunderstorms.

They don’t need the magic kingdom as it currently stands