News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[castlecake2.0]

With the right landscaping hopefully this isn’t as ugly as the riviera plopped down in the Caribbean, at least both resorts are “woodsy”

 

[MickMinn22]

Wow these details make me even more excited for this. Agreed with the concern with DVC room break down and also blending with surrounding Pioneer hall. But this does sounds like a very promising resort in my opinion which we would be excited to add a contract at.

 

[BrianLo]

As far as I know:

- There is still the lakeside table service restaurant and some kind of bar/restaurant inside the main building
- Not sure on the breakdown between DVC and cash rooms. I'm curious as to where the Presidential and Vice Presidential Suites are going to go, on the cash room side.
- For DVC, there will be what appears to be two-person "pod" rooms (at least that's the name I've seen), studios, 1BR, 2BR/2BR Lock-offs, and Grand Villas
- DVC will occupy the buildings to the west side, cash rooms to the east
- The pool area is impressive
- Blending will definitely be an issue, as this backs up to Pioneer Hall
- There will apparently be a sales center with "pod", studio, and 1BR mock-ups

Eyeballing it and affirmation from you, I think we see 300-400 DVC units. The bulk of the hotel is still away from the west wing DVC tripod. And DVC has less keys per space than the hotel side generally.

I hope the waterside table service restaraunt sticks!

Edit - whoops I should actually read the thread before I respond.

308 units not locked off to max theoretical 399 fully locked off. At least my guess wasn’t idiotic.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I hope the waterside table service restaraunt sticks!

It will. It’s a TSR with a pool bar attached to it. As @lentesta mentioned, the TSR has a 300-person capacity - 125 bar seats, 175 restaurant seats.

ETA: one of the dining areas can be reserved for private dining, apparently.

 

[Disone]

As far as I know:

- There is still the lakeside table service restaurant and some kind of bar/restaurant inside the main building
- Not sure on the breakdown between DVC and cash rooms. I'm curious as to where the Presidential and Vice Presidential Suites are going to go, on the cash room side.
- For DVC, there will be what appears to be two-person "pod" rooms (at least that's the name I've seen), studios, 1BR, 2BR/2BR Lock-offs, and Grand Villas
- DVC will occupy the buildings to the west side, cash rooms to the east
- The pool area is impressive
- Blending will definitely be an issue, as this backs up to Pioneer Hall
- There will apparently be a sales center with "pod", studio, and 1BR mock-ups

I thought they announced it was a DVC only project now. There's no mention of cash rooms on the announcement of construction.

Cash room breakdown (557 total):

Two queens: 481
Single king: 70
Two bedroom: 4
Vice Presidential Suite: 1
Presidential Suite: 1

DVC room breakdown (399 total):

Pod: 24
Studio dedicated: 95
Studio lockoff: 91
1BR : 91
1BR dedicated: 51
2BR: 38
Grand Villa: 9

So Lakeshore Lodge is also mixed. I thought these were the numbers for reflections but since the project was halted and then renamed Aunt restarted under the name Lakeshore Lodge, That it was now 100% DVC.

I haven't seen any mention of cash rooms in the press releases since construction restarted.

 

[BrianLo]

I thought they announced it was a DVC only project now.

Never once did they say it was only DVC. They just haven’t said much at all; a lot of inferences have been incorrectly drawn that the cash rooms were cancelled. In fact, before the project came back, that seemed to be the narrative that was incorrectly being drawn.

Revision to a 950 key DVC built today has never held logic. It would potentially still be on sale in 2040.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I thought they announced it was a DVC only project now. There's no mention of cash rooms on the announcement of construction.

So Lakeshore Lodge is also mixed. I thought these were the numbers for reflections but since the project was halted and then renamed Aunt restarted under the name Lakeshore Lodge, That it was now 100% DVC.

I haven't seen any mention of cash rooms in the press releases since construction restarted.

Confidence is high that this has a significant number of cash rooms.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

There will apparently be a sales center with "pod", studio, and 1BR mock-ups

There is at least one 2 BR mock-up coming in the near future. I never asked but have assumed it is tied to this.

 

[MickMinn22]

I wonder if they are considering redoing the exterior of the pioneer hall area to fit more with the theme of the new building?

 

[Bocabear]

I wonder if they are considering redoing the exterior of the pioneer hall area to fit more with the theme of the new building?

God I hope not.... It would then look like any modern Marriott type building thereby completely and forever destroying any semblance of theme for that property... It is bad enough this very typical resort looking building is going in so close to Fort Wilderness... I guess they could rename it to Lakeside Campground and be done with it... that would be another check on their list of removing "theme" from the Disney resorts...

 

[dseepersad]

I wonder if they are considering redoing the exterior of the pioneer hall area to fit more with the theme of the new building?

I also hope not, if they do, it just fits in with what I mentioned in a previous comment, that they are taking from the Fort and giving to LL. They would be completely ruining the charming, laid back atmosphere of the Fort.

 

[castlecake2.0]

There is at least one 2 BR mock-up coming in the near future. I never asked but have assumed it is tied to this.

Are these mock ups at Saratoga?

 

[BrianLo]

God I hope not.... It would then look like any modern Marriott type building thereby completely and forever destroying any semblance of theme for that property... It is bad enough this very typical resort looking building is going in so close to Fort Wilderness... I guess they could rename it to Lakeside Campground and be done with it... that would be another check on their list of removing "theme" from the Disney resorts...

Aside from the detraction from the Fort area (super valid in my view, even if it was done perfectly it’s still a massive new structure directly in the space)…

I do think this will be “themed”. But likely more at a mid point between Aulani and Poly Island Tower. Hopefully more towards Aulani outwardly.

Cash rooms tend to up their level of effort, historically.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Aside from the detraction from the Fort area (super valid in my view, even if it was done perfectly it’s still a massive new structure directly in the space)…

I do think this will be “themed”. But likely more at a mid point between Aulani and Poly Island Tower. Hopefully more towards Aulani outwardly.

Cash rooms tend to up their level of effort, historically.

I’m trying to think of what the last big not solely DVC resort was to get an idea of what level of effort will be

 

[UNCgolf]

I’m trying to think of what the last big not solely DVC resort was to get an idea of what level of effort will be

Me too. There's Art of Animation (right? is that the one that was built from the other half of Pop Century?) but that's a value resort and those have never featured significant theming.

I don't think they've built one under Iger so we really have no frame of reference.

 

[BrianLo]

I’m trying to think of what the last big not solely DVC resort was to get an idea of what level of effort will be

Aulani.

But that also needs to function as a full fledged stand alone sans parks. Then really Animal Kingdom, but I think the 90’s over the top effort is currently in remission.

Just to contrast against some of the stand alone DVC of those days, that I think is generally weaker. Like Saratoga or Bay Lake Tower.

 

[nickys]

Gran Destino Tower is the last one. albeit not a resort in its own right.

All cash rooms there, including club level, but externally it doesn’t look like there was a lot of thought about theming.

 

[peter11435]

Aulani.

But that also needs to function as a full fledged stand alone sans parks. Then really Animal Kingdom, but I think the 90’s over the top effort is currently in remission.

Just to contrast against some of the stand alone DVC of those days, that I think is generally weaker. Like Saratoga or Bay Lake Tower.

Pop century and Art of Animation both came after Animal Kingdom Lodge.

 

[BrianLo]

Pop century and Art of Animation both came after Animal Kingdom Lodge.

Sorry, I was comping more to the deluxe mixed cash/DVC resorts in my comment. I hope it's nicer than the values.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

Are these mock ups at Saratoga?

Not the one I've seen.