News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[Andrew C]

Let's hope not.

There are plenty of examples of announced Disney Projects that have not happened.

See Disney's America
DisneySea at Port Disney (Long Beach)
More locally... Main Street Theater
Numerous WS pavilions, some even has official Preview centers like Equatorial Africa.

I have not even mentioned the ones from your park.

Nah. Don't need (or want) another pandemic for planned vs reality to be a factor which has always and will always be a factor.

Likely to be soulless like the rest of their recent stuff anyways.

 

[BrianLo]

I’d say it’s probably a bit beyond a rumour. Not company officiated, but Steve tagged and published it as news on the front page.

 

[John park hopper]

It costs as much as building any other resort. They only get the money back when they sell enough contracts.
And in the case of the Cabins at FW, they’ll be waiting a looooooong time to recoup the upfront costs.

Disney recoups all the costs when they sell all their long term contracts. Guarantied income for years to come. When they build a resort it takes years to recoup building costs and unlike DVC they don't always have 100% occupancy --that is the difference and that is why no new resorts in years . Cabins were a big mistake Disney's arrogance calling them cabins and charging a fortune

 

[MisterPenguin]

Let's hope not.

There are plenty of examples of announced Disney Projects that have not happened.

See Disney's America
DisneySea at Port Disney (Long Beach)
More locally... Main Street Theater
Numerous WS pavilions, some even has official Preview centers like Equatorial Africa.

I have not even mentioned the ones from your park.

Nah. Don't need (or want) another pandemic for planned vs reality to be a factor which has always and will always be a factor.

To be fair, the pandemic caused delays and potential materials/labor increases. It was not the actual cause of Harmonious' failure and having to spend even more to create Luminous, cancelling the Table for CommuniCore Hall, lighting fiascos, cancelling PLAY!, poor storytelling in Guardians, cancelling SEE (which was probably a blessing), etc.

It played a role on the timeline, no doubt - and you can't rebuild demolished buildings. But, Disney created many of it's own issues with the EPCOT redo that have nothing to do with the pandemic.

Now back to Mistake on the Lake: The Residences.

1. Main Street Theater was indeed going to be built. It wasn't cancelled willy nilly. The area was not suitable for the construction and they didn't budget for the extra cost to make it suitable. I'm disappointed it didn't happen. MK needs a full theater indoor live show.

2. You're both forgetting something about the pandemic: Not only did it cause supply issues, it caused lack-of-cash issues. Disney *profits* $2B a quarter, at least. But not during the pandemic... they were barely breaking even. So, the billions of dollars they normally would have made didn't happen. So projects got cut. And in order to make up for the loss of linear/broadcast TV that was about to happen from 'cord cutting,' TWDC made a very intentional decision to make streaming their top priority, even at the expense of the parks. What 'little' cash the had and were making in the post-pandemic 'distancing' era all went to streaming.

If you lose your job and are living on unemployment, you don't decide that's the time to hire people to renovate the kitchen. You instead focus on getting a new job.

I'm only responding here to cutbacks on projects. Doing a bad job on the projects that did happen is a separate issue.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

2. You're both forgetting something about the pandemic: Not only did it cause supply issues, it caused lack-of-cash issues. Disney *profits* $2B a quarter, at least. But not during the pandemic... they were barely breaking even. So, the billions of dollars they normally would have made didn't happen. So projects got cut. And in order to make up for the loss of linear/broadcast TV that was about to happen from 'cord cutting,' TWDC made a very intentional decision to make streaming their top priority, even at the expense of the parks. What 'little' cash the had and were making in the post-pandemic 'distancing' era all went to streaming.

If you lose your job and are living on unemployment, you don't decide that's the time to hire people to renovate the kitchen. You instead focus on getting a new job.

I'm only responding here to cutbacks on projects. Doing a bad job on the projects that did happen is a separate issue.

Oh - very fair. I don't think we actually disagree that much. In a Quarter-to-Quarter Wall Street economy (separate conversation there), pivots were required. I am focused on the decisions made and what was allowed to move forward. I would argue moving forward with some of the projects (as decided post-cuts) was itself a bad job to begin with. But, that's where there are different opinions. I don't think it would be fair for anyone to say Covid was PURELY a timing issue without financial impacts. I just don't think they responded very well to the realities and created some additional, unnecessary problems and poor results independent of those very real results of the pandemic and then-current economy.

 

[dseepersad]

I am sincerely worried about the future of Fort Wilderness, this resort is being built at the Settlement, within feet of Pioneer Hall. I am not a happy camper .

 

[Nubs70]

attractions cost money to build and maintain DVC cost nothing and make money year after year and money is all Disney is interested in

When capping admissions by count or price, attractions are a cost to maintain but create no revenue other than LL purchases.

 

[Disone]

2. You're both forgetting something about the pandemic: Not only did it cause supply issues, it caused lack-of-cash issues. Disney *profits* $2B a quarter, at least. But not during the pandemic... they were barely breaking even. So, the billions of dollars they normally would have made didn't happen. So projects got cut. And in order to make up for the loss of linear/broadcast TV that was about to happen from 'cord cutting,' TWDC made a very intentional decision to make streaming their top priority, even at the expense of the parks. What 'little' cash the had and were making in the post-pandemic 'distancing' era all went to streaming.

If you lose your job and are living on unemployment, you don't decide that's the time to hire people to renovate the kitchen. You instead focus on getting a new job.

I'm only responding here to cutbacks on projects. Doing a bad job on the projects that did happen is a separate issue.

No I'm not forgetting. The effects of the pandemic are not lost on me. That said I listed a bunch of projects that have absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic but still got canceled.

Fact is Disney has a long history of announcing projects that don't happen. If you think everything that was announced at d23 is actually going to happen...... Good on you but that's not going to be me.

This has nothing to do with understanding the pandemic. Your reasons are solid and I do understand them but they're only The reasons why they were canceled during the pandemic.

Doesn't change that Before the pandemic during the pandemic and after the pandemic there will be many projects that just don't happen. More fun is a speculating which ones aren't going to happen because the law of averages and the company history, pandemic aside, say a good portion of them won't.

 

[Disone]

I am sincerely worried about the future of Fort Wilderness, this resort is being built at the Settlement, within feet of Pioneer Hall. I am not a happy camper .View attachment 846378View attachment 846380

Not that I think this is going to blend in with Fort wilderness, because I don't think that it will, But it is far too soon to judge how well it's going to blend.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Not that I think this is going to blend in with Fort wilderness, because I don't think that it will, But it is far too soon to judge how well it's going to blend.

There will be treehouses on the equivalent of the 3rd floor (connected to the main building via an elevated walkway) near Pioneer Hall. Not sure there’s any blending that’s possible with at least those.

 

[Disone]

There will be treehouses on the equivalent of the 3rd floor (connected to the main building via an elevated walkway) near Pioneer Hall. Not sure there’s any blending that’s possible with at least those.

I did not know about the treehouses. Missed that detail. Interesting.

 

[solidyne]

Not that I think this is going to blend in with Fort wilderness, because I don't think that it will, But it is far too soon to judge how well it's going to blend.

I admire your optimism, but every time someone says, "too soon to judge" or "let's wait and see," it turns out, once we wait and see, that it wasn't too soon after all. Things are pretty much as they look. There aren't last-minute surprises. (See Guardians Box, Poly Tower, etc.).

It's like when your basketball team is down 20 points with 3:00 left on the clock. You know it ain't happening. Sorry. Similarly, those pictures posted above are like, "yeah, this is over."

 

[prberk]

I am sincerely worried about the future of Fort Wilderness, this resort is being built at the Settlement, within feet of Pioneer Hall. I am not a happy camper .View attachment 846378View attachment 846380

I completely agree. It’s obvious modern Disney has no idea what made Fort Wilderness special — despite the name. They just don’t get the “wilderness” idea and the unique opportunity — and great detail by “pioneering” original imagineers — they had there.

 

[Agent H]

I completely agree. It’s obvious modern Disney has not idea what made Fort Wilderness special — despite the name. They just don’t get the “wilderness” idea and the unique opportunity — and great detail by “pioneering” original imagineers — they had there.

I think the new cabins speak for themselves.

 

[JD80]

I completely agree. It’s obvious modern Disney has not idea what made Fort Wilderness special — despite the name. They just don’t get the “wilderness” idea and the unique opportunity — and great detail by “pioneering” original imagineers — they had there.

You should go listen to the Disney Dish where Jim Hill and @lentesta spend the last 40 episodes on the history of Fort Wilderness and supposedly this new resort though they just finished the last episode with Disneyland Paris. I assume it's coming full circle any week now.

 

[Agent H]

You should go listen to the Disney Dish where Jim Hill and @lentesta spend the last 40 episodes on the history of Fort Wilderness and supposedly this new resort though they just finished the last episode with Disneyland Paris. I assume it's coming full circle any week now.

To be clear I believe imagineering understands. the new cabins in Paris are proof of that it makes it more disappointing that they were told to build the ones they did here

 

[Disone]

I admire your optimism, but every time someone says, "too soon to judge" or "let's wait and see," it turns out, once we wait and see, that it wasn't too soon after all. Things are pretty much as they look. There aren't last-minute surprises. (See Guardians Box, Poly Tower, etc.).

It's like when your basketball team is down 20 points with 3:00 left on the clock. You know it ain't happening. Sorry. Similarly, those pictures posted above are like, "yeah, this is over."

Being real but not optimistic! I clearly state I do expect it to blend and I meant it.

Just being real in that a few a see through building with a few concrete slabs and pillars with accents of rebar is not the moment of proof to say "see I was right!".

 

[Disstevefan1]

Can you still do tent camping there or did they get rid of that too?

 

[nickys]

Can you still do tent camping there or did they get rid of that too?

Yes you can still camp in tents.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes you can still camp in tents.

Do we think this will go away eventually?