PiratesMansion
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I can't wait to see Lillian Disney as a #girlboss.
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News Disney is Making a Disney+ Original Movie About the Creation of Disneyland
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Californian Elitist
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I’ll respond this one time.
Black actors have been cast for fictional characters that are historically white, but have never (at least recently) played actual white historic figures. There’s a difference.
Meanwhile, white actors have put on blackface to play black characters and have also played historical figures of color (as seen below). So I don’t want to hear it.
And these are just two examples. There are plenty others.
britain
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I refer you all to Tucker: A Man and his Dream as the best possible example of how to paint a biopic with a majestic, evocative aura while not going overboard into saccharine pukiness. AND how to show how the protagonists wife can be a traditional housewife without being a blasé weight to the story.
Californian Elitist
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Anyways, a timeline hasn’t been set for this film yet, has it?
brb1006
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There can only be one Home Alone movie, and that's the first movie.
britain
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Oh Gawd... you're right. I hadn't even thought of that.
But they'll do it, and it will be sickening and gross. And dreamy music will play, and the screen will go fuzzy around the edges, and it will be an Important Moment. Puke.
Would they have the guts to show the "legend" and then show the reality like the 1992 film "Chaplin" did?
No, they would not.
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Dear Prudence
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Again, I don't really get it: why do they have to make propaganda reminding us how great they are lately? We've had two Imagineer egofests in the last year and now a movie reminding us how great Walt was? I know there's a meme about red flags going around these days, and, well......
britain
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He did say "At least recently."
Californian Elitist
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Bring a vomit bucket to your couch when the movie premieres.Oh Gawd... you're right. I hadn't even thought of that.
But they'll do it, and it will be sickening and gross. And dreamy music will play, and the screen will go fuzzy around the edges, and it will be an Important Moment. Puke.
Dear Prudence
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It's so crazy to me that they keep trying to #girlboss everyone when they weren't NOT a girl boss before. I am really tired of this narrative they keep pushing that there is only one way to be woman. There were a LOT of women and POC who had a huge influence on Disney animation, even during Walt's lifetime. Not just Tyrus Wong (who was literally the nicest person), Mary Blair, Lillian Disney and his daughters (who had a lot of influence on Walt's work, and he would frequently council them on their opinions.) --but others like Floyd Norman, Gyo Fujikawa (whom Walt had helped escaped WWII relocation)--the list goes on and on. There are innumerable people who worked for Walt that deserve to have their stories told. It's the same nonsense with the WDW confectionary INVENTING POC characters for their diversity nonsense instead of highlightings and respecting actual hidden figures.
Dear Prudence
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I would normally not respond to nonsense, just the response might be helpful to someone else who is actually interested in learning: everyone loses their minds over HAMILTON, but POC playing Hamilton the man or not, this show as a lot of its own issues. LMM isn't an immigrant. Neither is his father or mother. He is Puerto Rican, and they are American citizens. The narrative in the show is "we are all immigrants" (which is not true --Native people and DACS are not), while simultaneously purposely erasing the contributions of actual historical Black and Native people to push this narrative, along with the incredibly toxic and harmful "bootstraps" maxims--which don't even APPLY to LMM because his parents were wealthy. Is it a great show with good music? Sure. Is it interesting to have people who look like a lot of those who are actually responsible for why America won the revolution playing historical figures who get all the credit? Sure. Is having BIPOC dress up as enslavers dancing around saying "how lucky we are to be alive right now" uncomfortable and possibly hugely inappropriate? Yes. The "immigrants, we get the job done!" line is hogwash. Marquis de Lafayette didn't just have French support, he had the support of all of the Algonquin-speaking nations and confederacies, who taught the colonists how to fight. There is only one throw-away line that mentions Crispus Attucks.
The "who lives, who dies, who tells your story" nonsense isn't that off base in this case. The fact that white people have done Blackface for years and yesterday- YES-TER-DAY- Jesy Nelson got busted for BLACKFISHING and nobody blinks, but HAMILTON exists everybody loses their minds.
The "so and so played by a Black/ trans/Asian actor, har dee har har" jokes ain't funny. My point above about highlighting actual POC who existed in Walt's life who should be mentioned or featured in the film still stands.
el_super
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They've always done this. All the way back to Walt standing in front of a TV Camera and showing off how great the Plaza Inn would be.
Controlling their image has always been an important part of Disney the brand, and something that Disney (the person) took very seriously.
Californian Elitist
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This has been literally happening for decades. The Mask of Zorro with Antonio Banderas used to be one of my favorite movies to watch as a kid. It had me believing Catherine Zeta-Jones was Mexican for years. YEARS lol. Turns out she’s Welsh. And not Welsh-American; she is native to Wales.
Dear Prudence
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I am Mexican and thought Zeta-Jones was Mexican, it's not just you.
britain
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Head Canon:
Zeta-Jones' character's mom is woman who was born in Wales and then immigrated to Mexico when when she was just a baby. Then she marries Don Deigo, another Welsh/English transplant from Spain.
Somethin' like that.
Oh yeah, and the younger Zorro somehow also came from Spain, since Antonio Banderas is actually Spanish and not Mexican.
Wait, Banderas also played Argentinian revolutionary Che Guevara in Evita... um, ok, so Che is ACTUALLY from Spain before moving to Argentina... Oh wait we've also got American-turned-Brit Madonna in there as Eva Peron... Ok, so Eva was actually born in New York and married a British filmmaker before moving to Argentina and hooking up with Argentinian Jonathan Pri... D'OH!
britain
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She THINKS she’s a Spaniard, but she’s Don Diego’s kidnapped baby.
el_super
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Ok just for fun I checked IMDB for people born in Chicago that could end up playing Walt (for historical accuracy of course).
So for consideration:
Michael Madsen
Michael Pena
John C Reilly
Fred Savage
Mandy Patinkin
Andre Braugher
Jim Belushi
Craig Robinson
Joe Mategna
Terrance Howard
Harrison Ford
And of course the most obvious choice to play Walt: Billy Zane.
el_super
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Yeah but that's bias really. If Chapek came out on TV to talk about a restaurant renovation they were really proud of, you would think it was cheese no matter how sincere he was being.
Dear Prudence
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Also, all of this stuff was new when Walt was doing it--he was showcasing the talent he had at the studio and later the parks, in a genuine way. He was showing off innovations, people who were the best at their craft, etc. He was not drudging up the past in a way that was self-congratulatory when they haven't truly been innovative or produced anything that impressive or worthwhile in a long time. Walt never had a "remember when we were GOOD??" vibes like these new specials all have.