Disney is going to price us out of the Kingdom..

[eliza61nyc]

It will be interesting to see how Star Wars does in WDW when it opens after the initial bump of hard core Star Wars fans.

I really think it will be like Pandora, if the rides are good, they connection to the movie won't really matter. I'm willing to bet that the popularity of pandora has absolutely nothing to do with the movie anymore. It's just a good ride.

 

[Trackmaster]

Factor in on a cruise you get breakfast, lunch, and dinner and it is not quick service. Basically you can eat 24 hours a day if you choose and it is included in your cabin fee --no meal plan, no additional out of pocket expense. My last cruise there was no comparison to the food on a cruise and what you got at WDW TS---- so much better

Yeah, I guess that WDW is kind of almost like a cruise experience... except one where you pay for all of the food out of pocket (but they do sell the meal plans). It does seem to me like it would be hard for the cruise company to make money, but I guess that they expect you to buy a lot of alcohol and excursions. It seems like at WDW they don't push booze on you as much as they do on cruises.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

More like pee by the minute.

FP+ 60 days in advance.

 

[Raineman]

I really think it will be like Pandora, if the rides are good, they connection to the movie won't really matter. I'm willing to bet that the popularity of pandora has absolutely nothing to do with the movie anymore. It's just a good ride.

I think Galaxy's Edge at WDW will have alot more sustained large crowds than at DLR. The majority of DLR guests are local, so you don't have alot of people coming from far away to visit DLR and see SW:GE (they get their initial Star Wars fix and then only come back sporadically), compared to the amount of visitors from around the world that already visit WDW and that will be visiting soon for GE. For all of us that visit WDW on a regular basis, we could all wish for low crowds like they are having at DLR, but I don't think we could get that lucky.

 

[KBLovedDisney]

It will be interesting to see how Star Wars does in WDW when it opens after the initial bump of hard core Star Wars fans.

My thought is that most of the hard core Star Wars fans already made trips out to Disneyland to see what it will be like. IMHO, I don't think the opening fan fare for Disney World will be as great as it was in Disneyland, especially since it will just be a replica.

 

[RustySpork]

My thought is that most of the hard core Star Wars fans already made trips out to Disneyland to see what it will be like. IMHO, I don't think the opening fan fare for Disney World will be as great as it was in Disneyland, especially since it will just be a replica.

It's all based on the new stuff rather than the "real" Star Wars, so there are probably lots of SW fans that don't care about it at all.

 

[Trackmaster]

It's all based on the new stuff rather than the "real" Star Wars, so there are probably lots of SW fans that don't care about it at all.

Don't read into that too much. Actual quality is a red herring. Its Disney. Slinky Dog Dash still runs out of FP+ before day 30 regularly and has long lines. The teacups get hour lines when they're usually walk-ons at other parks. Flat spinning rides get long lines at Disney. Small World will get long lines. Disney rides get long lines at Disney for the same reason that people pay $15 for chicken fingers and wait an hour for them at Disney. There's nothing special about them, its just that they're at Disney and need something to occupy their time.

So of course a new ride, and a ride with more substance than just a kiddie ride will get longer lines than almost any ride in the country that isn't at a Disney park.

 

[RustySpork]

Don't read into that too much. Actual quality is a red herring. Its Disney. Slinky Dog Dash still runs out of FP+ before day 30 regularly and has long lines. The teacups get hour lines when they're usually walk-ons at other parks. Flat spinning rides get long lines at Disney. Small World will get long lines. Disney rides get long lines at Disney for the same reason that people pay $15 for chicken fingers and wait an hour for them at Disney. There's nothing special about them, its just that they're at Disney and need something to occupy their time.

So of course a new ride, and a ride with more substance than just a kiddie ride will get longer lines than almost any ride in the country that isn't at a Disney park.

Oh, sure. There's no doubt that it'll be busy, but I'm just saying that true SW fans probably wouldn't go out of their way to book an expensive vacation just to see new coke Star Wars.

 

[Kingtut]

FP+ 60 days in advance.

Don't forget to book the Extra Magic 2 Ply Experience

 

[SteamboatJoe]

So Disneyland is reportedly cutting entertainment instead of prices due to the attendance woes. This is why I fear a drop in attendance won't lead to lower prices. It seems like they will cut expenses instead and make it look like they are dropping prices via a short term promo to make the quarter look good. Instead of attendance numbers, they will just brag to shareholders about reduced operating costs.

 

[Trackmaster]

So Disneyland is reportedly cutting entertainment instead of prices due to the attendance woes. This is why I fear a drop in attendance won't lead to lower prices. It seems like they will cut expenses instead and make it look like they are dropping prices via a short term promo to make the quarter look good. Instead of attendance numbers, they will just brag to shareholders about reduced operating costs.

Yeah, that's why I say that people shouldn't be so excited when people aren't going to parks. Think of it as increasing the size and quality of the pie that you get a smaller slice of when the park is doing well. as opposed to decreasing the size and quality of the pie that you get a bigger slice of when the park isn't doing well. The park just can just simply do a lot more when the flow of traffic is bigger and more reliable. And more interest in the industry leads to more competition which is great for us as well.

Ideally, more interest in Disney and theme parks means better rides, better entertainment, more festivals, more live music, more 365 ops parks, longer hours, rides with more capacity, etc. Little interest means fewer new rides, more meet n' greets, more shows being put on FP+, fewer festivals, special stuff being on weekends only, reduced hours, etc. Disney will never cut its 365 schedule, but other parks will certainly cut days when times get tough. Which means that you have to go on busy weekends or school breaks that will be unpleasant and crowded.

 

[Kaelsma]

Why the extra step? Disney only credits you what you paid right?

No ... Disney credits you the gate price of the tickets. They have no idea of what you paid for them.

 

[SpaceCoast]

Name a vacation resort on the same caliber as WDW where the prices are going down or always stay the same.

 

[jerseyDVCClub]

Name a vacation resort on the same caliber as WDW where the prices are going down or always stay the same.

Tell me a vacation resort that has raised their prices 18% in one year. Middle class families don't get a 18% increase in their salary and can't afford these price increases. Disney's higher pricing is keeping a lot of families for visiting the 4 parks!

 

[flynnibus]

Name a vacation resort on the same caliber as WDW where the prices are going down or always stay the same.

Name one that has increased 330% in the last 15 years like Disney has... 2003 AP $369 2019 AP $1219

I use the AP because it's the easiest to apples to apples. But if you want to price gate prices.. you can do the same thing.

It's not that prices are going up - that's a strawman - it's the AMOUNT and frequency of the price increases and their cumulative effect.

All the resorts I goto... they all charge the same menu prices week to week... not Disney.

 

[jerseyDVCClub]

Name one that has increased 330% in the last 15 years like Disney has... 2003 AP $369 2019 AP $1219

I use the AP because it's the easiest to apples to apples. But if you want to price gate prices.. you can do the same thing.

It's not that prices are going up - that's a strawman - it's the AMOUNT and frequency of the price increases and their cumulative effect.

All the resorts I goto... they all charge the same menu prices week to week... not Disney.

well said!!!!

 

[drizgirl]

Name a vacation resort on the same caliber as WDW where the prices are going down or always stay the same.

Who said anything about expecting prices to go down?

 

[flynnibus]

Who said anything about expecting prices to go down?

This guy...

 

[SpaceCoast]

"A middle-class pricing model doesn't really work in the modern economy anymore. And they feel frustrated that they put a lot of loyalty into this brand, into this company and now they feel like they really have to stretch to keep up. And that's tough, but at the same time, if Disney's going to grow, it's got to go where the money is." Robert Niles. Editor of Theme Park Insider.

 

[SteveAZee]

If I recall correctly, Disney is putting billions of $ into enhancing WDW ($3.5B?), with Star Wars, Toy Story Land, Epcot development, Tron, etc... as well as a lot of infrastructure. They are adding increased value to the experience and therefore feel justified to increase the ticket price a lot faster than inflation to experience it and pay for it. Between the IT stuff a few years ago (Magic Bands, FP+, MDE, etc) and the recent build outs, they've put many billions into the place.

Whether it's worth the new price and whether Disney invested wisely, only time and people's wallets will tell.