Disney Giveth, and Disney Taketh Away

[unkadug]

Their is a YouTube video that sums up the River country closure in a nut shell the laws of The state of FLA states.
No public swimming area/pool may be filled with uncloreanated water or from a standing water source AKA a lake.due to the bacteria and specifically the enema.Winch breads in hot areas it can get into your bran and can kill you.

I always try to keep my enema away from my bran too.

 

[simking]

Pulled this off a site about the winter lights this guy sums it up nicely and goes for everything just not the lights. Sad but true My memory's of Disney can never be repeated sad My kids will never get to go in their youth maybe when they have their own kids but going as a kid nothing compares to that.I used to go ever year with my grandparents in the winter months
we camped in camp wilderness for 25$ a night in the camper took the ferry to the MK..NO way I could ever afford to take my family 3 kids me and the wife airfare ect..Last time i went in 95 i stayed off site in motel 6 for 35$ a night.Party hard at pleasure island and met a great girl to hang out with the last few days...


I can assure you that NO MONEY is made off of the lights, so they’re gone! ALL entities, rides, etc must pay for themselves in 10′s or 100s of PERCENT to last. In other words, if Candlight Processional didn’t net over $3000000/month, it’d be gone, with the sappy little singers with it! Disney is about money. Shareholders. It is not about pleasing guests and the ‘experience’ anymore. Sorry to burst bubbles. Look for many more shops, and many less ‘frills’ in the coming years. In fact, expect at least half of the rides to be ‘outdated’ that don’t support at least 1000 times their operating costs in merchandise. Grim reality. Don’t be so naive. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty of sheep standing in line to buy $20 t-shirts provided FREE to Disney

 

[Beholder]

Pulled this off a site about the winter lights this guy sums it up nicely and goes for everything just not the lights. Sad but true My memory's of Disney can never be repeated sad My kids will never get to go in their youth maybe when they have their own kids but going as a kid nothing compares to that.I used to go ever year with my grandparents in the winter months
we camped in camp wilderness for 25$ a night in the camper took the ferry
to the MK..NO way I could ever afford to take my family 3 kids me and the
wife airfare ect..Last time i went in 95 i stayed off site in motel 6 for 35$ a
night.Party hard at pleasure island and met a great girl to hang out with
the last few days...




I can assure you that
NO MONEY
is made off of the lights, so they’re gone! ALL entities, rides, etc
must pay for themselves in 10′s or 100s of PERCENT to last. In other words,
if Candlight Processional didn’t net over $3000000/month, it’d be gone,
with the sappy little singers with it! Disney is about money. Shareholders. It
is not about pleasing guests and the ‘experience’ anymore. Sorry to burst
bubbles. Look for many more shops, and many less ‘frills’ in the coming
years. In fact, expect at least half of the rides to be ‘outdated’ that don’t
support at least 1000 times their operating costs in merchandise. Grim
reality. Don’t be so naive. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty of sheep
standing in line to buy $20 t-shirts provided FREE to Disney

If an attraction becomes "outdated" and no longer sells merchandise, then wouldn't Disney update every ride so it would sell/promote merchandise? I don't remember the last time Small World had merchandise flying off the shelf. Or Space mountain. Or Jungle Cruise. Disney loves selling the goods, but I think for the most part, attractions are to get you in the door.

 

[jakeman]

Winch breads in hot areas it can get into your bran and can kill you.

I hate it when I get winch bread in my bran.

 

[Tom]

I hate it when I get winch bread in my bran.

OMG! I do NOT want winch breads getting into my bran! I like my bran to be winch-bread-free!

I most definitely won't be swimming in any uncloreanated water, that's for darn sure.

 

[simking]

ERRR....that's it auto correct OFF

 

[Tom]

ERRR....that's it auto correct OFF

And punctuation ON

 

[RSoxNo1]

I've added the following to Thematic Intrusions:

• Swan and Dolphin visible within Epcot
• Soarin' building visible behind Canada
• Back of Expedition Everest Show Building visible from Parking Lot

 

[RSoxNo1]

Well, I can add "Splash Mountain cut during Evening EMH"

 

[NormC]

Their is a YouTube video that sums up the River country closure in a nut shell the laws of The state of FLA states.
No public swimming area/pool may be filled with uncloreanated water or from a standing water source AKA a lake.due to the bacteria and specifically the ameba.Winch breads in hot areas it can get into your bran and can kill you.

The amoeba thing is an urban legend. That is not why it was closed. Search here as it has been discussed many times.

 

[Tom]

Well, I can add "Splash Mountain cut during Evening EMH"

Without a doubt.

 

[Gabe1]

There have been multiple posts on here discussing declining by degrees, cuts, etc. There has also been some efforts by myself and others to chronicle some of these things. While I expect this thread to be a discussion of sorts, I will also attempt to update the front page with offerings that have been cut while prices have increased.

To start us off:

General Cuts/Policy Changes/Permanent Ride Changes:

• Late returns for Fastpass no longer honored
• Monorail Hours cut to one hour after park closing during EMH
• Extra Magic Hour Evenings cut at DAK
• Extra Magic Hour Evenings cut from 3 hours to 2
• Dining plan cuts (Removal of Appetizer, Gratuity no longer included, reduced selections, many restaurants switched from 1 credit to 2)
• Lights of Winter
• Luxo the Lamp in Pixar Place
• $10 Per Person fee for Restaurant No Shows at Signature and Character Dining Locations
• Falling Rocks - Big Thunder Mountain
• Jumping Compys - Dinosaur
• Pleasure Island
• Printed Napkins
• The Odyssey
• Wonders of Life
• Spotlights at DHS
• Resort Specific Merchandise
• Discovery River Boats
• Mike Fink Keel Boats
• Davey Crockett Explorer Canoes
• Plaza Swan Boats
• Admiral Fowler Boat Cut from Rivers of America
• The Empress Lilly at Disney's Marketplace had the Smokestacks and Paddlewheels removed when it was converted to Fulton's Crabhouse
• Country Bear Christmas
• Pirates and Princess party
• HalloWishes Cuts
• Paintbrushes removed from Tom Sawyer's Island
• Character meet and greet cuts
• Roger Rabbit silhouette in Streets of America no longer resembles Roger Rabbit
• Live Narrators on Backlot Tour and Living with the Land
• Refillable Mug rule changes
• Photopass no longer included in Wild Africa Trek. Replaced with tour only photos.
• Shorter park hours
• Aunt Polly's
• Tomorrowland Terrace
• The Diamond Horseshoe
• Adventureland Veranda
• Imageworks
• Breakfast at Boatwright's
• Macaws at Polynesian Lobby (possibly moved to DAK?)
• Flamingoes in Epcot (moved to DAK)
• Lunch Buffet at Trail's End
• Bonfamille's Cafe
• Closed restaurants in UK, Canada and France
• WDW Easter Parade
• Petting Zoo at Fort Wilderness
• Sword in the Stone ceremony
• Galaxy Palace Theater Removed for Cast Member Parking
• Pocahontas and her Forest Friends
• Four For a Dollar cut from Beauty and the Beast Live on Stage Pre Show
• Prime Rib cut from Chef Mickey's and Boma
• Future Corps band cut from Epcot
• Charging Chum the Shark - The Seas with Nemo and Friends
• Betsey Ross and Ben Franklin cut from 4th of July Entertainment
• Epcot Daytime entertainment: Surprise in the Skys, Tapestry of Nations, Tapestry of Dreams
• Premier Theater Unused
• ESPN The Weekend
• Super Soap Weekends
• Flower and Garden Cuts: Characters in Bloom & I Dig Bugs
• Malayan Tapir not replaced - Maharajah Jungle Trek
• Disney Dollars not as widely produced
• Splash Mountain replaced by Enchanted Tiki Room for Evening Extra Magic Hours
• Turf Club at Saratoga Springs no longer serving lunch

Longtime broken attraction effects:

• Yeti - Expedition Everest
• The Laughin' Place - Splash Mountain
• Time Travel Tunnel Lasers - Dinosaur
• Tree of Life/Discovery Island exhibits have netting over them due to Tree of Life issues - Paths have been closed as a result
• Footlight Parade Turntable - The Great Movie Ride
• Less motion, slime in Aliens - The Great Movie Ride
• Wind in Fantasia Scene - The Great Movie Ride
• Shaking Bridge - Kilimanjaro Safaris

Outsourcing

• Golf
• Valet Parking
• Garner Holt taking over Animatronic maintenance
• Maintenance
• Joffrey's Coffee Kiosks

Thematic intrusions

• Splash Mountain
• The Flying Carpets of Aladdin
• Soarin'
• Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
• Sorcerer Mickey Hat
• Monster's Inc Laugh Floor
• Swan and Dolphin visible within Epcot
• Soarin' building visible behind Canada
• Back of Expedition Everest Show Building visible from Parking Lot

Easy Fixes

• Space Mountain - Timing of audio in Re-Entry Tunnel, it comes too late
• Spaceship Earth - Timing of the line, "On this our Spaceship Earth" should sync with the reveal of Spaceship Earth.

Does the monorail at DL also shut down one hour after the parks close or is this just WDW?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Does the monorail at DL also shut down one hour after the parks close or is this just WDW?

There's no evening EMH there and it's not a mode of transportation there. I would expect that if it doesn't close at park closing, it would close an hour afterwards.

Also, I added the fire on Tom Sawyer's Island to the first page

 

[Rasvar]

There's no evening EMH there and it's not a mode of transportation there. I would expect that if it doesn't close at park closing, it would close an hour afterwards.

Also, I added the fire on Tom Sawyer's Island to the first page

My last time there the monorail departing Tomorrowland shutdown about 15 minutes to a half an hour prior to park closing. Not sure if that was normal or not.

 

[Gabe1]

I was thinking about that too. I think I have some passes in a photo album. I wonder if there are any days left. I think they would have to honor them since they were sold with no expiry date. Worth a shot at $89 a day.

They will give you a new ticket without question at guest services outside any park. I still had a day left on my sons child ticket from 1991 hopper multi day pass. He went down a day early before starting his job, went to GS and they printed him out an adult hopper ticket with, have a Magical Day. He went solo through 3 parks on that day courtesy of his very old child ticket.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Dear Disney,

I received your 50 page brochure in the mail today. It looks like you put in quite the effort with this booklet. It's on thick glossy paper with vibrant colors and dare I say it exceeds the production quality of the D23 Magazine. I wanted to emphasize that this did not go unnoticed. Personally, I think this is far more persuasive to get me to renew my annual pass than actually putting this money into things that guests don't care about. For clarification, what I mean by "things guests don't care about" is that list of items on page one of this thread. Guests never point to the little details when explaining or even defending their purchase of a Disney annual pass. These guests always point to a well crafted, 100% genuine sales pitch sent through the mail. To invest in these "small details" and "entertainment options" that some might refer to as "loss leaders" is inadvisable. Clearly these sorts of things don't lead to direct ticket sales in the same quantifiable manner that a direct mailer clearly does. I would like to congratulate you on a job well done.

Sincerely,
Tim

 

[luv]

Pulled this off a site about the winter lights this guy sums it up nicely and goes for everything just not the lights. Sad but true My memory's of Disney can never be repeated sad My kids will never get to go in their youth maybe when they have their own kids but going as a kid nothing compares to that.I used to go ever year with my grandparents in the winter months
we camped in camp wilderness for 25$ a night in the camper took the ferry to the MK..NO way I could ever afford to take my family 3 kids me and the wife airfare ect..Last time i went in 95 i stayed off site in motel 6 for 35$ a night.Party hard at pleasure island and met a great girl to hang out with the last few days...


I can assure you that NO MONEY is made off of the lights, so they’re gone! ALL entities, rides, etc must pay for themselves in 10′s or 100s of PERCENT to last. In other words, if Candlight Processional didn’t net over $3000000/month, it’d be gone, with the sappy little singers with it! Disney is about money. Shareholders. It is not about pleasing guests and the ‘experience’ anymore. Sorry to burst bubbles. Look for many more shops, and many less ‘frills’ in the coming years. In fact, expect at least half of the rides to be ‘outdated’ that don’t support at least 1000 times their operating costs in merchandise. Grim reality. Don’t be so naive. If you don’t like it, there’s plenty of sheep standing in line to buy $20 t-shirts provided FREE to Disney

That just isn't true. I personally know one family who gave up their Christmas trips because Disney pulled the lights and Christmas Country Bears...but the lights were the last straw. And I (me, personally) bought a Disney Christmas video because Disney had a picture of the LoW on the back of it. There really wasn't any coverage of it, so the video was unfulfilling, disappointing and IMO, false advertising...but I bought it just for the lights.

You cannot say the lights brought in no money. Perhaps the accountants don't know it, but rides and lights and all that stuff that doesn't have people shelling out EXTRA dough...it brings in money. Heads in beds. Tickets purchased. Meals eaten. Videos and other crap (like Christmas trees in little tubes, ornaments, et cetera) bought.

When they take stuff away that people like, it does cost them money. They're just too dumb to see it.

I've said this before, but if shopping, dining and M&Gs were really the money makers, they could just shut down the rides and turn all the parks into that. Then they could be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams!

They just can't fill the place by cutting back. Or by adding screens. And the fewer people there, the less money spent on the all-important F&B, room revenue, merchandise...

Duh, right?

 

[elbug10]

To the person who said that It's A Small World doesn't bring Disney any revenue, may I point out that Disney has just paired with LeSportSac purses and is offering IASW print purses starting at $78 on TheDisneyStore.com? Any way they can make a buck. Not that I'm complaining. I love IASW and I'll probably be getting one of the purses, lol.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

To the person who said that It's A Small World doesn't bring Disney any revenue, may I point out that Disney has just paired with LeSportSac purses and is offering IASW print purses starting at $78 on TheDisneyStore.com? Any way they can make a buck. Not that I'm complaining. I love IASW and I'll probably be getting one of the purses, lol.

Welcome to the forum!

If for no other reason IASW makes Disney money because I love it and it is part of why I go to WDW. IASW is one of the rides I must do each time! From the Shermann song to the gorgeous 1960s Blair design, the ride is pure classic gold.

 

[GoofGoof]

Welcome to the forum!

If for no other reason IASW makes Disney money because I love it and it is part of why I go to WDW. IASW is one of the rides I must do each time! From the Shermann song to the gorgeous 1960s Blair design, the ride is pure classic gold.

Totally agreed. Let's face it, most of us don't go to WDW for the new cutting edge attractions. It's the classics that keep us coming back. Of course if they built some new cutting edge attractions I doubt we would complain.