Disney Analyst
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I honestly hope they do this, and remove the base Lightning Lane entirely. Follow the Paris model exactly. It makes lightning lane less used, standby becomes better.
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Disney Genie/Genie+ On Their Way to Anaheim
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Disney Irish
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Its always been a theory that if they removed all forms of FP that the Standby would be better, this would be the closest we could get to that. So it'll put that theory to the test, I just hope it works out the way many claim it will.
Disney Analyst
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It seemed to work well in Paris. Their premiere access lines were never backed up or filled with people.
Disney Irish
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Except DLP has significantly less guests than DLR or WDW. So we'll see if that ends up happening here as well or if it doesn't have any huge change.
mickEblu
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I guess this would make more sense. I just thought it would be weird timing right after they rebranded Genie + to LL multiple pass. Man, they really fly by the seat of their pants. So in other words whatever they call it it will be a more expensive LL multi pass with more LL single use options. I don’t hate it. Especially if it’s priced at a point that dissuades too many people from buying it. That’s the Big IF. Otherwise you’ll not only have the usual LL people in line but also people that are buying single use LL’s that wasn’t available before. But I guess that can also work both ways. You might have people hat previously bought Genie + and used it all day long who now only buy 1-2 LL’s in a day. Then again, we know DL is a locals park. This I imagine will appeal more to locals who just want to hit one or two specific rides that trip. In that vein there may be more people in the LL than ever before. It all depends how it’s priced obviously and how much capacity they give to LL.
Disney Analyst
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When we visited Paris it was 120 euros for the day, for premiere access. Otherwise you could also do some individual payments for rides.
So that’s around $133 USD?
Purduevian
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Any idea how much the actual park ticket was?
mickEblu
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Yeah I’ll never buy that and I imagine most AP’s won’t either. What did the a la carte rides cost?
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Disney Irish
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DLP tickets are cheaper than the US Parks, they start around $66/day. So that is a consideration too when talking about the cost of this service, if it comes. I suspect since the US Parks ticket prices start higher, the cost of this is going to be lower if introduced here.
mickEblu
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True but I don’t see your typical AP even touching this for anything over $50. So what I’m thinking is they want the Full Premeir pass or whatever they call it for the tourist/ casual guest and then they want the APs buying the individual LL’s.
Purduevian
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Extrapolating this price...
Disneyland Paris for 2x the ticket price lets you skip 16 rides across 2 parks
At Disneyland CA for ~$200 I could see it letting people skip the 22 current LL rides across the 2 parks. I don't think RsR or RotR would be included.
Disney Irish
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Except I wouldn’t automatically assume a higher starting price for the service. I would assume they would start with a sub $100 price point to avoid sticker shock.
Disney Analyst
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I don’t fully recall. I think it would have been in the 80-110 euro range? We got into the park for free… so that’s why we decided we’d be okay spending the 120 euros for skipping the line in two parks.
I don’t recall. I want to say 12-20 euros, pending the ride? You have to book time slots for this option, and can only buy another one I think after you’ve used.
The all access option you can use anytime, without a time slot, once for each ride. Their app says that starts at 90 euros.
Nirya
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No it wouldn't. The closest we would get to that would be when Disney reopened the DLR and did not have any form of Fastpass available, so standby was the only way to do lines. The lines were some of the best they've ever been during those wonderful few months.
Disney Irish
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They were also significantly limiting how many guests would be allowed in the Parks, which also means lines were short already, so its not quite the same.
The closest I've seen it to having a full park and no FP is when the app/FP had an outage for almost a day, this was prior to 2019 if I recall correctly so it was when Max Pass/regular FP was still a thing. And it had negligible positive affect on Standby that day.
So we'll see if whatever this new service, if it gets released, will actually do to the lines. I just don't know if this service if it replaces LL will have the desired affect on Standby that some thinks it will.
waltography
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Agreed. I mean, if Premier Pass arrives as expected (single-use anytime LL for all rides) isn't this what people wanted LL to be? A true up-charge a la Express Pass or Fast Lane?
Premier Access worked the same at Hong Kong when I went earlier this year; Around $12-16 USD per attraction a la carte for front of the line access once, or you could buy a multipack for around $100 USD that included 8 rides, 2 stage shows, and an exclusive viewing section for the fireworks. Given I traveled halfway across the world for the park, the latter was an incredible value honestly.
mickEblu
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My concern is that DL is a heavy local/ AP park. The single use LLs might encourage more APs to purchase LL’s where they wouldn’t before. But the multi pack might also turn off many non APs that would have bought it at $35. It’s hard to say without knowing what the price points will be. Then again, is $50-$60 for a family of 4 to get on some 50 year old ride they’ve been on 100 times worth it? Probably not.
My concern is that DL is a heavy local/ AP park. The single use LLs might encourage more APs to purchase LL’s where they wouldn’t before. But the multi pack might also turn off many non APs that would have bought it at $35. It’s hard to say without knowing what the price points will be. Then again, is $50-$60 for a family of 4 to get on some 50 year old ride they’ve been on 100 times worth it? Probably not.
mickEblu
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Yeah that’s a lot. I can’t imagine many APs will be interested at that price point. Maybe as a splurge once in a while for a Must Do or something new.
Vegas Disney Fan
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As a long time AP I think that should be the goal, make something expensive that the one time visitor will use but the vast majority of us APs won’t use, in theory that should keep the standby lines short enough that APs can enjoy a half dozen rides a day without waiting in obscene lines but that also allows the one timers to pay a premium to skip the 30-45 minute lines and gives them the ability to hit 20 rides, since they may never get the chance to come back.
What we have now is the worst of both worlds though, it’s cheap enough that a ton of people use it, so standby lines barely move, but it’s expensive enough you have to pay an extra $30-40 per person per day if you actually want to go on rides.
As an AP I refuse to pay $60-80 a day (for me and my GF) to go on rides at a park where we already pay $3000 a year for APs. Until Disney comes up with a better system they can kiss that $3k goodbye, plus the other $10k+ a year we spend on food, drink, and souvenirs. It’s just not worth it anymore.
mickEblu
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Yup. If there HAS to be a skip the line system this is what many of us prefer. Worst case scenario would be that they price things in a manner where EVERYONE finds it attractive.
Yeah there’s no way I’m paying for LLs at those prices. Why would I when we go 20 x a year and have been on the rides countless times. At $20-$25 a head we’ve done it a few times on trips with non AP family/ friends who want to make the most out of their day. At $100 a person it would never happen. The funny part is I don’t think my non AP fan n friends would either. If you re someone that goes to Disneyland 1-2 x a year that’s still often enough to where you’ll probably feel that it’s not worth it. At $100 a person (on top of ticket prices) you re really only speaking to the once or twice in a lifetime type of guest.