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Disney Finally Squashes Illegal Kiddie Gambling
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englanddg
One Little Spark...
I assume all this is in relation to HB 155, signed last year into law. This bill actually modifies Statute 849, so that's really what you should read to get the full context.
However, in any case, even if you take that $0.75 cent per play requirement...
CEC is exempt. TPT is kept at $0.012 - $0.015 per ticket, meaning you get 1.2 to 1.5 tickets per token. Even if you take individual game redemption (video non-ticket blended with redemption skill games) out of the mix, a HIGH TPT for a location would be $0.10, and probably should be closer to $0.045
If they were running $0.75 TPT, their merch costs would be so out of whack that they would have long since been the focus of corporate. The cash value of a ticket, according to company policy at CEC, is $.01. In other words, you can give a dollar to a cashier at the merch counter, and get credit for 100 tickets.
The law does NOT state that redemption points (e.g. tickets) cannot be accumulated and redeemed for higher value merchandise. As long as the individual redeemable value for the merchandise or prize per play is less than $0.75.
So, at worst, you'll see the bonuses get dragged back at CEC from 200 ticket top limits to 75 ticket. And, since that "value" definition in the law is related to the merchandise / prize, but it doesn't clarify "sale value" vs "cost value"...it gets muddier. The prizes are incredibly cheap (and I don't mean quality, I mean the actual cost to purchase them bulk). If you'd asked me several years ago I could have told you the per category costs per item (cause I would inventory and order them regularly)...now I don't recall...but it's WAY below 75 cents, even when you get up into the higher ticket categories. So, it gets muddier.
However, in any case, even if you take that $0.75 cent per play requirement...
CEC is exempt. TPT is kept at $0.012 - $0.015 per ticket, meaning you get 1.2 to 1.5 tickets per token. Even if you take individual game redemption (video non-ticket blended with redemption skill games) out of the mix, a HIGH TPT for a location would be $0.10, and probably should be closer to $0.045
If they were running $0.75 TPT, their merch costs would be so out of whack that they would have long since been the focus of corporate. The cash value of a ticket, according to company policy at CEC, is $.01. In other words, you can give a dollar to a cashier at the merch counter, and get credit for 100 tickets.
The law does NOT state that redemption points (e.g. tickets) cannot be accumulated and redeemed for higher value merchandise. As long as the individual redeemable value for the merchandise or prize per play is less than $0.75.
So, at worst, you'll see the bonuses get dragged back at CEC from 200 ticket top limits to 75 ticket. And, since that "value" definition in the law is related to the merchandise / prize, but it doesn't clarify "sale value" vs "cost value"...it gets muddier. The prizes are incredibly cheap (and I don't mean quality, I mean the actual cost to purchase them bulk). If you'd asked me several years ago I could have told you the per category costs per item (cause I would inventory and order them regularly)...now I don't recall...but it's WAY below 75 cents, even when you get up into the higher ticket categories. So, it gets muddier.
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englanddg
One Little Spark...
Parents too.Prize games....Makes kids go Berzerk..
(this wasn't uncommon in many markets)
Bolt
Well-Known Member
I feel like this location should turn into the Buzz meet and greet. His current location is so ugly and in the sun...
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Probably not since those are competitions.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
No, because they are not machines. The provision of the statute doesn't apply.
RunOrlando
Member
I have a feeling that if Disney REALLY wanted to keep giving out tickets & prizes they would have lobbied the state to do so, and I don't see the state ever denying Disney what they want.
RunOrlando
Member
There's a claw game on the top floor, and a similar game next to the Animation Academy, other than that there are no prizes.
All the games in DisneyQuest are covered by admission so it's play all you want.
Cmdr_Crimson
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MagicHappens1971
Well-Known Member
This is ridiculous on so many different levels.
Matt_Black
Well-Known Member
What about contests in specially marked products of (blank)? Is Florida going to shut that down? Was Charlie gambling when he bought that Wonka Bar hoping to find a Golden Ticket? WE ARE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE, PEOPLE!
NearTheEars
Well-Known Member
I don't understand. Only Disney? They get knocked for following a law?
articos
Well-Known Member
I just have to give you kudos on the thread title.
I just have to refrain from the oh so easy jokes...Does this mean no more c o c k fights at the Grand Floridian?
The Duck
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You may notice that I had to s p e l l it out.
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
Man, the real "Gambling for children" isn't ticket redemption, it's claw machines.
jbolen2
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Not all crane machines are "rigged" we own an amusement company that has over 250 cranes on our route and not a single one of ours is setup as you say, as a prize can be won each play skillfully. Now I will say there are probably more operators running there cranes as you mentioned but don't be so quick to blanket all cranes that way. We have also been moving more cranes to a 1$ play until you win setup which has helped rebrand trust with the customer.
DManRightHere
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That is a load of crap.
