PiratesMansion
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There are some that do, and many that don't. Again, if you can offer some substantive proof of this, by all means.
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Disney, DONT bring back 180-day-in-advance restaurant reservations.
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Have you provided proof for your side of the argument? I think proving one way or another is next to impossible, however, we both can agree it is not very difficult to find the information needed to plan a trip to Disney.
PiratesMansion
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Well, it's been the case for 90% of the people I've talked to who have announced they're going to WDW for the first time, or the first time in a long time.
Now, that is anecdotal, non-scientific evidence, but unless you're presuming that 90% of the people I know are just complete morons for not knowing that they need to plan that much to have a successful theme park vacation, it's more than you've offered.
Well 100% of the people that have told me they are going to WDW have asked questions about what they need to do to be best prepared and what things they should do....so yes, if your people aren’t asking those questions then yes they are morons
PiratesMansion
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Well, sure, people have asked questions. But have all of your people gone in knowing all of the different options and things to do and food reservations and FP+ and this and that and...before they talk to you? I'm guessing they haven't.
But then, apparently you just must know a better class of people than I do who can pat themselves on the back for knowing how complicated WDW is right off the bat.
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No, they have no idea. So you know what they do...they ask! And then they research!
Class has nothing to do with it. And they aren’t asking questions because they believe its complicated. They are asking because they know nothing and want to know more. It’s not a difficult concept. And I can’t believe that there’s as many people as you say who choose ignorance when it comes to a vacation they are investing thousands on....
Sirwalterraleigh
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Priority seating was such a better system. Accountants aren’t much fun
CosmicRays
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I would think people who have grown up with Google probably do more reasearch for Disney, but the older generation who didnt grow up with cell phones might just buy a ticket and show up. Of course with park passes that is a little different atm.
PiratesMansion
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So you agree. People do not inherently walk onto this earth knowing that WDW, a theme park complex, is as complicated as it is. Good.
It just...might...be overly so. More complicated than a theme park vacation needs to be, yes? And a reminder that "works swell for me" does not necessarily mean "best possible system or way of doing this."
I do agree that people should do more research before they drop thousands of dollars on a trip. We're in agreement there. Where we disagree is how many of these complications are really NECESSARY.
It does amaze me that there are always huge lines of people waiting to buy tickets (during non-covid times, at least) when most of those people could probably do it on their phones. People haven't adapted.
I think a majority of people walk the earth and know Disney requires planning but have no idea how to start. They might not know what they have to do, but they know how to find out, and most do. The lazy ones don’t
Should it require as much planning as it does? IDK, some of it works well, other stuff, not so much. That’s a different debate.
I think you and I might agree that we both wish it would go back to how it used to be...”Legacy” fast passes, walk-in dining reservations, etc.
But since things are not that way, I would prefer to be able to make my reservations as far in advance as possible.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They have pushed the advanced booking/sales out as far as possible to squeeze the life out of every cheap labor dollar and project revenues...then study how to sell on top of it.
this isn’t Wall Street rocket science.
now it’s up to the consumer to reject it. But they never do in the 3-2-8-3-0
this isn’t Wall Street rocket science.
now it’s up to the consumer to reject it. But they never do in the 3-2-8-3-0
Well duh, they’re whole goal is to make money and make as much as possible. I get it and that’s fine. There does become a point where the product may not be worth the price though.
for me that time is not, with the current state of Disney. Once things are back to normal, or at least mostly normal, it will be worth it again.
I’m going in December as of right now, but I’d have no issue cancelling and rescheduling if many of the requirements going on currently are still going on in December. Or if parades and fireworks are still not going on. People will pay what things are worth to them. Disney has always been worth it to me. But not the watered down pandemic Disney.
MickeyLuv'r
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I go back to the facts myself. Thousands of people visit WDW every day. Some plan, many do not. All adults know that. I wonder if the poster who keeps quoting both of us is even a real person.
MickeyLuv'r
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Mostly I agree that to some degree it did work for Disney, but maybe not as great as we think.
The more WDW asks WDW customers to plan, the more WDW's customers become invested in those plans. No FP = no need to issue a replacement FP when a ride goes down. Complexity breeds more complexity.
I speak not even of my own frustration, but the many posts I have read from others, like when WDW changes MK hours less than two weeks out, and folks scramble to make new plans after they have already spent hours coordinating FP, ADR's, hopping, etc.
TheGuyThatMakesSwords
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Oddly? I agree. Because Open Table also has (generally) a 60 day booking window - at generally far better restaurants, with a vastly superior Reservation System.
So - a suggestion for WDW? Just get all WDW owned Restaurants onto Open Table, stop pretending that you can effectively manage dining reservations, and let a proven expert do this. Lower overhead cost for WDW, better service for customers
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All a purely personal suggestion - post deleted should hate mail appear.
So - a suggestion for WDW? Just get all WDW owned Restaurants onto Open Table, stop pretending that you can effectively manage dining reservations, and let a proven expert do this. Lower overhead cost for WDW, better service for customers
.All a purely personal suggestion - post deleted should hate mail appear.
To paraphrase DFB's AJ, the only consistent thing about WDW restaurants is their inconsistency. In terms of theming (10), food (8) and service (10), our favorite meal inside the parks in our 2017 trip to WDW was at Sci-Fi. Yak & Yeti (8, 1, & 2) was our worst meal, despite that they have my favorite menu on paper.
BTW, I wonder if anyone at Disney reads popular fan forums.
Also, speaking of getting reservations, I'd bet the summer of 2022 will be the most popular/crowded in WDW's history with the 50th, Tron coaster, & the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions. Maybe Disney should raise prices in June, July & early August in 2022 & cap attendance at lower, less-miserable levels. (Of course, those who couldn't get in would find that horrible.)
AugieMorosco
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The 180 days discussion reminds me of the "don't bring back FastPass" debate. No matter what system you use, the same number of people will be successful in getting what they want. There are X number of reservations and X number of ride spots in a period of time. Shifting how they are distributed doesn't change the supply. If I am missing some aspect of this debate, please inform me, but that's how it seems. I prefer the 180 days because those of us who plan early and stay on top of things have the advantage.
I also disagree with the idea that people going on a once in a lifetime trip are at some massive disadvantage. I am projecting a bit here, but before my first trip to WDW, I researched and learned and organized and planned, and it went great. I got every reservation I wanted and I got every Fastpass I wanted. Not every trip can be that way, but if it's your once-in-a-lifetime and you choose to just wing it, then that's kind of on you. The information and resources are plentiful. It's not buried and hidden. If you do ANY kind of research on your trip, you'll quickly discover all of the info on dining, fastpasses, what to expect, etc. AITA?
I also disagree with the idea that people going on a once in a lifetime trip are at some massive disadvantage. I am projecting a bit here, but before my first trip to WDW, I researched and learned and organized and planned, and it went great. I got every reservation I wanted and I got every Fastpass I wanted. Not every trip can be that way, but if it's your once-in-a-lifetime and you choose to just wing it, then that's kind of on you. The information and resources are plentiful. It's not buried and hidden. If you do ANY kind of research on your trip, you'll quickly discover all of the info on dining, fastpasses, what to expect, etc. AITA?
Well said. Very to the point. I don't get how anyone investing the money in Disney, which is a lot of money, could think they don't need to plan, even a little bit. And by planning a little, you'll figure out what all is required pretty quick.
No, you are not TA. I had to Google that acronym, AITA. Funny! But how would you feel having to make meal reservations for the new Straw Man Cafe if they filled up 1, 2 or 3 years in advance?
Confession time: part of me LOVES making plans 6 months in advance -- the Disney freak part. But I'd prefer the reduced or delayed stress of reserving lunch & ride times 60 days before. I want Disney to protect me from myself. Actually, I'd like most of you who are staying at WDW properties to make your reservations up to 60 days out, and those of us who've worked at a Disney park to be able to make them two years in advance. (Yes, I'm a former Jungle Cruise Guide, which some of you may have guessed from my wit & ruggedness.)
I don't have time to read through 6 pages of responses, but have read a few. My family of 5 went for the first time in 2015. I knew nothing. I had no-one to advise me. I went to disneyworld.com and got started. I also didn't spend a ton of time researching. I'm not a YouTube person, so I wasn't even aware that YouTube had Disney stuff on it until our third trip in 2019 . . . and that was only because my kids were teenagers and they figured it out. All that to say, somehow I figured out it was best to make reservations. I would hate to lose the 180 day reservation window. Having no reservations, to "equal the playing field", would be a huge negative to me. When we spend thousands on this vacation, I don't want to have to wait more than 20 minutes to get a table, and I certainly don't want to have to go to several places before finding one that would work for our family. What a waste of valuable time. Some people are very "go with the flow" folks and don't care. Some of us want to get the most of every minute. I've also found that reservations can be made, then changed, at any time during those 180 days, so no-one is "locked in" to a decision that was made 6 months before their trip. Having the 180 day window works for both mindsets and I would hate for that to be one more thing we lose.