Disney denies fault in monorail crash

_Scar

Active Member
I don't know much about what's actually going on, but you'd think Disney would want this to go away as fast as possible.
 

pax_65

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I wonder from a legal perspective what burden is required to show negligence. What I mean is... it's one thing to say that Disney shares some of the blame for what happened, another to say that Disney was negligent or "reckless" as the article states.

Regardless of how you feel about Disney's blame here, I think everyone agrees that this was, in essence, a series of unfortunate events - where if any one of them went a different way the collision would not have happened.

I also think everyone agrees that Disney could have done more to prevent these events from happening. But does that equal negligence? I am guessing that Disney believes it does not, which is why they are seeking to go to trial.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure Disney is going to win this one, both from a trial stand point and a PR standpoint.
I haven't read the article, but I think I'd agree. A trial seems to be the last thing you'd want if you were Disney.

Even if you win with the jury, all the evidence against you gets publicly picked over in detail by the opposing lawyers for the media to focus on. The story gets bigger than it already was, meaning it probably gets more play nationally. And (I'd assume) the mother of the dead pilot will be put on the stand to give her opinion of what Disney did wrong. Seems like a complete loser for Disney.
 

miles1

Active Member
I haven't read the article, but I think I'd agree. A trial seems to be the last thing you'd want if you were Disney.

Even if you win with the jury, all the evidence against you gets publicly picked over in detail by the opposing lawyers for the media to focus on. The story gets bigger than it already was, meaning it probably gets more play nationally. And (I'd assume) the mother of the dead pilot will be put on the stand to give her opinion of what Disney did wrong. Seems like a complete loser for Disney.

I don't think it will make it to trial. I'm guessing that the mom's lawyers are looking for a bigger settlement than Disney's willing to pay and they won't negotiate. Requesting a jury trial is Disney's way of calling their bluff. Neither side will want to go through the trauma, time and expense of a jury trial. Eventually they'll reach a settlement and this will never see a courtroom.
 

Wilt Dasney

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I don't think it will make it to trial. I'm guessing that the mom's lawyers are looking for a bigger settlement than Disney's willing to pay and they won't negotiate. Requesting a jury trial is Disney's way of calling their bluff. Neither side will want to go through the trauma, time and expense of a jury trial. Eventually they'll reach a settlement and this will never see a courtroom.

That makes more sense.

Seriously, I cannot think of any reason a trial would be good for Disney. I was wondering if the Sentinel reporter had possibly misread the court papers, that's how unlikely it seems to me.
 

Monorail Lime

Well-Known Member
The lawsuit likely makes a wide range of claims and Disney may be correct to deny fault on some of the details. Disney is forced to either take it to jury or accept all of the claims if the plaintiff's lawyers are unwilling to negotiate. Unfortunately the article is short on details about the claims of the suit so it is impossible to speculate further.

In any case, going to court is like reopening an old would for the many people who are ready for this to be in the past even if it is the correct action from a legal standpoint.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
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I don't think it will make it to trial. I'm guessing that the mom's lawyers are looking for a bigger settlement than Disney's willing to pay and they won't negotiate. Requesting a jury trial is Disney's way of calling their bluff. Neither side will want to go through the trauma, time and expense of a jury trial. Eventually they'll reach a settlement and this will never see a courtroom.
I would tend to agree. I think that the Wuennenberg's lawyers are swinging for fences and have included some language that Disney does not want on a settlement. I do not see this ever going to trial.
 

bgraham34

Well-Known Member
Yeah there is no way Disney would goto trial. They don't want more publicity than they already have. They don't want to show the mother entering or leaving the courtroom in tears on the news.
 

Empress Room

Active Member
There is an extremely high burden of proof for a plaintiff employee/worker who attempts to sue his/her employer for a work-related injury or death. Most every state, including Florida, has enacted workers' compensation statutes which provide an injured or killed worker with an exclusive remedy for recovery (in other words, workers cannot sue their employers in a court - with very few and difficult excepton(s) - for compensation/damages resulting from the work-related injury - their compensation/damages are provided for by statute).

Disney would therefore deny liability in any lawsuit filed against it stemming from this worker's death as a matter of course; it would plead the affirmative defense of the workers' compensation law and posture itself in a position to have the case dismissed by summary/dispositive motion prior to any trial taking place.

The Sentinel's article appears to be nothing more than Disney's responsive pleading (answer) filed in response to the civil complaint. It would deny liability for the above reasons as a matter of course and then Disney would file its motion to dismiss prior to the case ever seeing the courtroom.

At some point, Disney will weigh the likelihood of success on the exclusive remedy provision under workers' compensation law and make the decision on whether to settle the case or pursue that motion. As mentioned above, plaintiffs have a very difficult burden in maintaining this kind of case because of the workers' compensation statute and plaintiff's counsel undoubtedly is aware of that and is trying to place itself in the best position possible for some type of monetary recovery.

Whether the case is dismissed or not based on this defense, I agree with the other posters that it is unlikely and improbable that the case would ever advance to trial.
 

kcnole

Well-Known Member
agreed, their lawyers are probably swinging for the fences with some huge demand compensation that Disney isn't willing to pay and will not be forced to pay. I also think that's a strategic move by the plaintiffs. I think eventually Disney will agree to settle for a much smaller amount, will admit no guilt, and the plaintiff will be forced to never mention this issue again.
 

fosse76

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There is an extremely high burden of proof for a plaintiff employee/worker who attempts to sue his/her employer for a work-related injury or death. Most every state, including Florida, has enacted workers' compensation statutes which provide an injured or killed worker with an exclusive remedy for recovery (in other words, workers cannot sue their employers in a court - with very few and difficult excepton(s) - for compensation/damages resulting from the work-related injury - their compensation/damages are provided for by statute).

Those statutes only apply if the injury is a result of normal job functions and the Company isn't negligent. That's not the case here.

Disney would therefore deny liability in any lawsuit filed against it stemming from this worker's death as a matter of course; it would plead the affirmative defense of the workers' compensation law and posture itself in a position to have the case dismissed by summary/dispositive motion prior to any trial taking place.

Won't happen. This will not be dismissed.

The Sentinel's article appears to be nothing more than Disney's responsive pleading (answer) filed in response to the civil complaint. It would deny liability for the above reasons as a matter of course and then Disney would file its motion to dismiss prior to the case ever seeing the courtroom.

You couldn't just say it was Disney's Answer to the Complaint, like a normal lawyer would? But I agree that is common course for a Company to flatly deny all counts in a complaint. However, you may be right that they may try to use the supposed applicable statute. The article mentions they admitted to all the events leading up to the accident, which means they are probably blaiming the people involved. However, those people worked for them, and therefore their actions are the Company's actions.

At some point, Disney will weigh the likelihood of success on the exclusive remedy provision under workers' compensation law and make the decision on whether to settle the case or pursue that motion. As mentioned above, plaintiffs have a very difficult burden in maintaining this kind of case because of the workers' compensation statute and plaintiff's counsel undoubtedly is aware of that and is trying to place itself in the best position possible for some type of monetary recovery.

This isn't going to be dismissed. The OSHA report clearly states it was Disney's fault. It can be entered into court as factual evidence, and as a government document, it is considered unimpeachable. Therefore, Disney can't challenge the findings (i.e., no one from OSHA will be required to testify). The fact of the matter is the death of Austin was a result of incompetent employees and Disney's standard operating procedure. Since Austin was cleared of any wrongdoing in the OSHA report, the other employees are treated as Disney itself. Their actions are the Company's actions, and Disney is liable.

Whether the case is dismissed or not based on this defense, I agree with the other posters that it is unlikely and improbable that the case would ever advance to trial.

Either way, I'm surprised they would ask for a jury trial. Does Florida require a unanimous jury for civil trials? If so, Disney has to convince only one juror they aren't at fault. A judge, based on everything we know, would find for the Plaintiff (most likely). But I agree that this won't go to trial.

However, based on what was in the article, I find Disney's arguments a little disingenuous. They admitted to the series of events that led to the accident, but still claim they aren't at fault. That's like me shooting someone with my gun and then saying it's not my fault he got shot. Sure, I can argue he was about to attack, but Disney can't have any such claim. The events leading up to the accident were the direct results of its own employees. Therefore they are liable.
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
However, based on what was in the article, I find Disney's arguments a little disingenuous. They admitted to the series of events that led to the accident, but still claim they aren't at fault. That's like me shooting someone with my gun and then saying it's not my fault he got shot. Sure, I can argue he was about to attack, but Disney can't have any such claim. The events leading up to the accident were the direct results of its own employees. Therefore they are liable.


It was my understanding that the employees that were involved in the situation leading up to the accident were not following the companies properly laid out safety guidelines and were not fully aware of the situation. So if the actions of the employees does not match the required guidelines of the company, does that mean Disney as a whole is still at fault, or does the blame switch over to the employees for not following the proper safety protocols set fourth by the company? :shrug:
 

Mstr Gra-c

Active Member
They must deny responsibility...they have no choice. If they accepted responsibility and paid out...it would set a dangerous precedent among their employees moving forward.
So they deny responsibility and force the plaintiff to take it through a jury trial (they can afford it...chances are the plaintiff party cannot) or settle out of court.
Either way this is pretty standard practice.
 

Ziggie

Member
Even if they got bad press, how many of you would quit giving them your money? Seriously.

Seriously? I would. But I'll be forthright in saying that it is not this incident alone that has me losing my flavor for Disney. Bad service, less than acceptable treatment by hotel staff.. our list is growing.

500+ trips gives us a solid foundation on which to base our new Disney-tude.
 

Empress Room

Active Member
Those statutes only apply if the injury is a result of normal job functions and the Company isn't negligent. That's not the case here.

I hate to disagree, fosse, but your understanding of workers' compensation laws is just not accurate. An employer's "negligence" does not allow an injured employee to escape the exclusive remedy provision of workers' compensation statutes. It has nothing to do with "normal job functions." Rather, only if an employee is injured as a result of the employer's "intentional tort" may an employee maintain a civil cause of action. In most jurisdictions, an employee must prove that the employer made a "conscious decision" to injure the employee and then took "deliberate action" to achieve that injury. That intentional tort is inferred when the employer had "actual knowledge" of the certainty of injury but does nothing to prevent it. This is a completely different legal standard than mere negligence and why I stated initially that it is a very difficult (some would argue nearly impossible) standard for injured employees to meet. Of course, it all depends on the proofs and the monorail driver's family is apparently going to present facts they believe meet this very high burden of proof.

Won't happen. This will not be dismissed.

Again, it is a very difficult burden for injured workers to meet and it is not uncommon, even with more egregious facts, for civil cases to be dismissed. State legislatures enacted workers' compensation laws for precisely this reason: to provide an efficient, consistent and exclusive remedy for injured workers, and to free the court systems from the inordinate number of lawsuits that historically were filed prior to these laws' establishment.



You couldn't just say it was Disney's Answer to the Complaint, like a normal lawyer would? But I agree that is common course for a Company to flatly deny all counts in a complaint. However, you may be right that they may try to use the supposed applicable statute. The article mentions they admitted to all the events leading up to the accident, which means they are probably blaiming the people involved. However, those people worked for them, and therefore their actions are the Company's actions.

A "normal lawyer" understands what a responsive pleading is, fosse. The article from the Sentinel, as I think we can all agree, is short on facts and specifics. I haven't seen the responsive pleading filed by Disney. It may not have been an answer. The denials may have been contained in a motion to dismiss, a motion for summary judgment. Simply because an employer's workers engaged in negligent behavior does not impart liability on the employer, so "their actions" are not "the Company's actions" unless the above-mentioned burden is met by the plaintiff.



This isn't going to be dismissed. The OSHA report clearly states it was Disney's fault. It can be entered into court as factual evidence, and as a government document, it is considered unimpeachable. Therefore, Disney can't challenge the findings (i.e., no one from OSHA will be required to testify). The fact of the matter is the death of Austin was a result of incompetent employees and Disney's standard operating procedure. Since Austin was cleared of any wrongdoing in the OSHA report, the other employees are treated as Disney itself. Their actions are the Company's actions, and Disney is liable.

This is simply not a correct statement of the law. The OSHA report, in fact all evidence in any case, can always be excluded from admission if the trial court deems it to be more prejudicial than probative; in fact, the 11th Circuit (which includes Florida) has ruled that an OSHA report's legal conclusions and opinions are excludable under Fed. R. Civ. P. 803 on precisely this basis (if deemed by the trial court to be untrustworthy for any number of reasons). In short, the OSHA findings are not dispositive of the civil litigation and may not even be admissible in the proceeding.



Either way, I'm surprised they would ask for a jury trial. Does Florida require a unanimous jury for civil trials? If so, Disney has to convince only one juror they aren't at fault. A judge, based on everything we know, would find for the Plaintiff (most likely). But I agree that this won't go to trial.

Typically, a request for whether to conduct a jury or non-jury trial is made by the plaintiff, not the defendant. It is possible that the Sentinel article saw a jury demand in the file and concluded that Disney had requested it.


However, based on what was in the article, I find Disney's arguments a little disingenuous. They admitted to the series of events that led to the accident, but still claim they aren't at fault. That's like me shooting someone with my gun and then saying it's not my fault he got shot. Sure, I can argue he was about to attack, but Disney can't have any such claim. The events leading up to the accident were the direct results of its own employees. Therefore they are liable.

Disney has not admitted facts necessary to establish the intentional tort exception to the workers' compensation statute defense. Simply admitting to facts leading up to the accident in no way establishes liability; moreover, its defense to the cause of action may be just that: our employees engaged in, at best, negligent conduct during a succession of unfortunate, "perfect storm" events. That negligent conduct bolsters Disney's defense that it did not make a "conscious decision" to harm the monorail driver or otherwise have the "actual knowledge" that the harm would occur - something that needs to be present to usurp the exclusive remedy provision of the workers' compensation statute.
 

Tinkermommy

New Member
There are likely many facts that we do not yet know and that have not been reported by the media. Generally, when a defendant files an answer to a complaint, they admit or deny the facts asserted by the plaintiff, but do not provide additional relevant facts that pertain to their defenses until later in the lawsuit. Disney should not simply settle the lawsuit just to avoid bad press. If Disney was following the industry standard of care, it was not negligent and it would set a bad precedent for future lawsuits to pay a settlement as it would invite other people to sue Disney hoping for a settlement even if they did not have a valid claim.
 

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