ToTBellHop
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Have you ridden it? It’s complete garbage. And I love Cosmic Rewind. This ain’t that.
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News Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios
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TheMaxRebo
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Guess it depends what the new premise is ... If still just trying to get from a recording studio to a concert, then probably won't be a big change
Could see them making it look less "grungy" though and a bit more light hearted and probably a lot of muppet parody music posters, ECT
Imaginneering can only do so much around the track.
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ToTBellHop
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Well, that’s good news. But we need not worry about the Muppet coaster being like 2022 Flight Force.
FWIW, Flight Force has been updated a few times now and it's markedly better.
I'm curious though, what do you think they'll do for Muppets? Besides turning on the lights for a completely different POV or whizzing by static figures, there's not much they actually can do. Why wouldn't it still consist of flats and screens around track?
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Jrb1979
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IMO any coaster that you theme is mostly hot garbage. iMO if you want to theme it well and tell a story you sacrifice a lot of thrill and speed, which IMO what coasters are about.
Which is why the Cosmic Rewind's "storytelling coaster" lacks a coherent story.
TrainsOfDisney
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I have…. Just a few days ago! Not sure what makes it complete garbage? I’m not a huge marvel fan at all but I thought it was an improvement over rock’n
ToTBellHop
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Apparently, it’s been improved since its premiere. I thought it was awful in 2022. Almost nothing to look at, nonsensical story, very painful/headbangy.
DreamfinderGuy
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I've always used RnRC as my baseline for a "storytelling coaster". If you want a coaster to tell a story it has to be a bare bones one that's established before you board & simple to follow while you're focusing on the sensory overload that is a coaster. RnRC does this beautifully because the story is just "you're on a limo and you've gotta go really fast, here are things you're passing". Guardians is horrendous in this aspect because they try to tell an intricate story and it just falls apart after the launch. Nobody is focusing on the story because they're being flung around on a coaster. I would place something like Incredicoaster as right between the two, not for quality of the ride but for how well it accomplishes telling a story.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Rock N RollerCoaster is the like if the Fast & the Furious ride at Universal was a rollercoaster.
Vinnie Mac
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I feel like this is very wrong lol. Expedition Everest, Cosmic Rewind, VelociCoaster, Revenge of the Mummy are all phenomenally themed rides that balance thrill and thematic integrity very well. It is entirely possible if the budget is there and if you're not being lazy.
Vinnie Mac
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You don't need to follow Cosmic Rewind's story mid-ride to understand what's going. It's pretty well established why you are there before you get on the ride. Everything after that is just you "going after the bad guys". It doesn't even need to be deep it's just fun. You're just getting flung around space with 80's music blasting. That is fun.
DreamfinderGuy
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This is an admission that the narrative fails
LSLS
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I'd totally agree it's fun, I love going on it. But, I've been on it 3 or 4 times at this point, and I still have no idea how we defeat the bad guy. I don't follow the story at all, so I completely get the original comment. Amazing ride with fun music, but I totally agree that the story telling on the ride doesn't work at all.
TheMaxRebo
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they don't really defeat Eson, they knock the Cosmic Generator out of his hands which triggers the big bang sending everyone back in time and chasing each other (and the Guardians the Nova Corp are able to track this via the trackign device Rocket put on the ride vehicle).
Eventually the Nova Corp are able to restrain Eson and the Guardians reverse what happened via the Cosmic Generator and you see the reforming of the galaxy (milkey way, etc) and they lock in the coordinates on EPCOT (taking you past the moon and stuff)
LSLS
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LOL, so I guess that completely negates Vinnie's point that you don't need to follow mid ride to know the story, cause I always just assumed we are chasing the bad guy and eventually beat him some how. I mean, whatever, cause like I said, the ride is a blast, and I LOVE having the music going while flying around looking at space stuff. I'm completely with the original post that it fails as a story telling coaster. BUT, it succeeds as an amazing and fun ride.
I will still agree that in terms of storytelling, RnRC is one of the better ones. And the easiest (and probably cheapest) way to do this retheme is to keep that story. Personally, that is what I am hoping (and kind of expect) happens. Now you are going on a Muppets limo ride, with Muppets covering songs as you go. Preshow gets funnier, maybe a few things added to the area where you are walking to the limo part, but the ride stays virtually the same.
ToTBellHop
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Just listen to the ride dialogue. They literally narrate what’s happening. Not sure how much more they could dumb it down unless you want a pamphlet at boarding. If a person is incapable of focusing on the dialogue while on a roller coaster, that’s not really on the Imagineers.
TheMaxRebo
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I think the specifics of the on ride experience for Cosmic Rewind don't matter too much and definitely aren't communicated amazingly ... But the preshow gives you the gist and that pause before the backwards launch where they indicate you are going back to the big bang tells you what you need to know to enjoy the ride and the setting and general plot
Not too dissimilar from RnRC though RnRC is a bit more simplistic and also assume storyline for rethemed will be similar - have some current music star visit you in the studio (that is randomized) and then have to get to the Dr Teeth concert or something. Then just fun Muppets hijinks added
DreamfinderGuy
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It’s absolutely on the Imagineers. A dark ride goes at a pace where you can take in a story, a coaster doesn’t. It took me three rides on Guardians before I understood what the story was supposed to be, and apparently I still didn’t get it if the explanation posted earlier is accurate. Guardians fails twice over in that nothing gets followed after the launch and so much time is spent setting up a story prior to that that is basically wasted. It’s a story that doesn’t climax for most people and it ends with you being dumped into blank empty hallways. The 1% of park guests who understand why probably all learned from social media.