Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

TeriofTerror

TeriofTerror

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Woo-hoo; I finally got completely caught up on this thread! I think I may need a nap, now.
A few things:
1. To those of you posting with statements along the lines of, "I can't be bothered to read page after page of your opinions, but I'm now going to pontificate upon my opinion for eighteen paragraphs," -- wow. Just... wow.
2. Look, I don't have anything against "Frozen" in and of itself. Really. I thought it was a cute movie. I even bought the Blu-Ray.
3. I'm not even going to spend this post griping about characters in WS. I've come to terms with the fact that that ship has sailed. What drives me absolutely batty is that with all of the help WS needs, this is what they decide to do. Let's face it: Maelstrom already has the longest lines of any attraction in WS. Why? Because there are only two freaking rides in World Showcase! And for those of you claiming rides don't belong in WS, I call you-know-what. Rio Del Tiempo/Gran Fiesta Tour has been there since 1982. Maelstrom has been there since 1988. And every last one of you knows that there was originally supposed to be a Rhine River Cruise in Germany. You know there was supposed to be a ride in Japan, and you know there were supposed to be gondola rides in Italy. WS was supposed to have rides, until Disney cheaped out. And if anyone mentions sponsors, I'll scream. They may have been necessary in 1982 when admittance to EPCOT Center set you back all of $15, but not anymore. Park guests are now the attraction sponsors, and I for one want more for more my money. Hey Disney: Do you want me to shut up about Maelstrom? Announce tomorrow that in the next five years 2-3 new (notice I said new, not replacement of existing) countries will be coming to WS, and each of them will boast its own D or E-ticket attraction. If you do that, you have my solemn vow that the word "Maelstrom" will never pass my lips again.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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TeriofTerror said:
1. To those of you posting with statements along the lines of, "I can't be bothered to read page after page of your opinions, but I'm now going to pontificate upon my opinion for eighteen paragraphs," -- wow. Just... wow.
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. And dont forget that after they DONT read your opinion they offer a psychological analysis of everybody else.

TeriofTerror said:
3. I'm not even going to spend this post griping about characters in WS. I've come to terms with the fact that that ship has sailed. What drives me absolutely batty is that with all of the help WS needs, this is what they decide to do. Let's face it: Maelstrom already has the longest lines of any attraction in WS. Why? Because there are only two freaking rides in World Showcase! And for those of you claiming rides don't belong in WS, I call you-know-what. Rio Del Tiempo/Gran Fiesta Tour has been there since 1982. Maelstrom has been there since 1988. And every last one of you knows that there was originally supposed to be a Rhine River Cruise in Germany. You know there was supposed to be a ride in Japan, and you know there were supposed to be gondola rides in Italy. WS was supposed to have rides, until Disney cheaped out. And if anyone mentions sponsors, I'll scream. They may have been necessary in 1982 when admittance to EPCOT Center set you back all of $15, but not anymore. Park guests are now the attraction sponsors, and I for one want more for more my money. Hey Disney: Do you want me to shut up about Maelstrom? Announce tomorrow that in the next five years 2-3 new (notice I said new, not replacement of existing) countries will be coming to WS, and each of them will boast its own D or E-ticket attraction. If you do that, you have my solemn vow that the word "Maelstrom" will never pass my lips again.
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Amen, sista!
 
Mike S

Mike S

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TeriofTerror said:
Woo-hoo; I finally got completely caught up on this thread! I think I may need a nap, now.
A few things:
1. To those of you posting with statements along the lines of, "I can't be bothered to read page after page of your opinions, but I'm now going to pontificate upon my opinion for eighteen paragraphs," -- wow. Just... wow.
2. Look, I don't have anything against "Frozen" in and of itself. Really. I thought it was a cute movie. I even bought the Blu-Ray.
3. I'm not even going to spend this post griping about characters in WS. I've come to terms with the fact that that ship has sailed. What drives me absolutely batty is that with all of the help WS needs, this is what they decide to do. Let's face it: Maelstrom already has the longest lines of any attraction in WS. Why? Because there are only two freaking rides in World Showcase! And for those of you claiming rides don't belong in WS, I call you-know-what. Rio Del Tiempo/Gran Fiesta Tour has been there since 1982. Maelstrom has been there since 1988. And every last one of you knows that there was originally supposed to be a Rhine River Cruise in Germany. You know there was supposed to be a ride in Japan, and you know there were supposed to be gondola rides in Italy. WS was supposed to have rides, until Disney cheaped out. And if anyone mentions sponsors, I'll scream. They may have been necessary in 1982 when admittance to EPCOT Center set you back all of $15, but not anymore. Park guests are now the attraction sponsors, and I for one want more for more my money. Hey Disney: Do you want me to shut up about Maelstrom? Announce tomorrow that in the next five years 2-3 new (notice I said new, not replacement of existing) countries will be coming to WS, and each of them will boast its own D or E-ticket attraction. If you do that, you have my solemn vow that the word "Maelstrom" will never pass my lips again.
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I fully agree except for one point, I could never make that promise. Making my Trolls disappear is an injustice that will not stand ;)
 
Phil12

Phil12

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mael·strom
noun \ˈmāl-strəm,
: a situation in which there are a lot of confused activities, emotions, etc.
: a dangerous area of water that moves very fast in a circle

Another interesting item is that maelstroms are sometimes caused by sinkholes. And we all know that EPCOT has a rich sinkhole history.
 
CDavid

CDavid

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Phil12 said:
And it won't change a thing in regard to plans for WDW. However, it serves an important function of providing a cathartic release for the fan base and keeping them from engaging in otherwise regrettable behaviors.
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That's holding Disney forums - and the members who discuss topics of The Walt Disney Company - in rather low regard. While there certainly is a great degree of 'preaching to the choir', not all discussions on this board are of trivial matters, nor are the resulting comments meaningless. Discussing our legitimate, valid concerns with fellow members can be productive (and, occasionally, Disney is reading - or perhaps attempting to shape the discussion). If we even have a slim chance of effecting real change at some point, obviously the concerns must be addressed directly to Disney (or better still, curtailed spending with the Mouse), but that doesn't leave WDWMagic or other forums unimportant, or nothing more than a 'release'.

Just what sort of "regrettable behaviors" do you contend members would otherwise engage in? Did this happen before the advent of internet discussion forums, because I've never heard of it?

Siren said:
Why is it when *Disney* (and I do mean only Disney, because no other company is constantly questioned or challenged on their "direction" or decision making, the way Disney is) - anyway, why is it when Disney makes a change -any change- there is this obsessive collective mindset that erupts into this faux outrage followed by attacking people who aren't as offended or simply open to embracing change?
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It is hardly faux outrage - the concerns and complaints expressed are generally valid, legitimate issues, and Disney is hardly the only company whose corporate wisdom is questioned. When The Walt Disney Company fails to live up to its own established standards and/or compromises the guest experience, people aren't just making stuff up to complain about.

Siren said:
I still think the Captain EO area or somewhere in Future World would have been perfect for a Frozenland, but whatever
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Please explain how Frozen could possibly fit thematically in Future World?

Siren said:
I'm not knocking anyone who is disappointed - we all have our *thing*, but it is simply illogical to blame other guests for the decisions that Disney makes without assuming some of that blame yourself.
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Other guests (or forum members) are not being blamed for decisions of The Walt Disney Company. Rather, other forum posters are sometimes blamed - and not without cause, generally - for supporting and defending every little decision just because it comes from Disney, even when the issue at hand clearly lessens the theme-park experience.

Siren said:
This is the difference between Disney and Sea World. Sea World fans mean business and they sent a strong, damaging message to Sea World this year. But Disney fans, just attack each and blow hot air. Their idea of punishing Disney is spending a few days at Universal and only half a week at Disney this year, or going to Disneyland, or taking a Disney cruise, etc. While, Disney is laughing all the way to the bank.
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I hardly think the group speaking out against Sea World would be regarded as 'fans', nor are those who follow matters of The Walt Disney Company out to damage the company (though we have some major problems with some of its business practices, primarily just in parks & resorts). That said, "Disney fans" are indeed much too irresolute about the practices and standards (or lack thereof) of a company (and theme-park resort) with which we have such an attachment.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Phil12 said:
mael·strom
noun \ˈmāl-strəm,
: a situation in which there are a lot of confused activities, emotions, etc.
: a dangerous area of water that moves very fast in a circle

Another interesting item is that maelstroms are sometimes caused by sinkholes. And we all know that EPCOT has a rich sinkhole history.
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Mr Anderson

Mr Anderson

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Siren said:
Really? Captain EO is awful - it just is. You're the only person I've encountered, who condones the continued presence of Captain EO in Epcot. And, while not all that original, you do get points for being "different." :D Perhaps it was okay back in day, I guess. And, I can forgive Disney for bringing it back after MJ passed, but it should have only been for a short duration, granting Disney plenty of time to create a suitable replacement.

I couldn't believe Disney made Captain EO a permanent fixture. This move alone demonstrates that Disney World has been on a steady decline for quite some time. I just adore those fountains so those can stay, but really, the theater should be bulldozed and replaced something state of the art, especially with all of the water and glass features over there - Frozenland would have been a perfect fit, imo.
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Can you please elaborate on your opinion on how Frozenland would be a "perfect fit" in EPCOT? Because it doesn't fit in with the overall theme of Future World OR World Showcase... at all. If you're looking for a perfect fit for Frozenland, that would be in the Magic Kingdom.

I just DO NOT understand why some people are so perfectly okay with bulldozing attractions that fit in with the theme of the park to make way for attractions that don't fit in at ALL. And then to suggest a location where it fits in even LESS? How did you... I just... I am officially befuddled.

Let me take this from a different angle... let's say the people in charge of this decision really had the fans in mind, and decided to put Frozenland in Magic Kingdom AND wanted to update EPCOT. If they were to get rid of Maelstrom and replace it with a newer ride, let's say a tour of Norway, or maybe a longer, better, more updated version of Maelstrom, there may be some people sad that the old version was going away but there would not be the vicious backlash going on that you see here. You would certainly not have a 121-page rantfest about the change. There might be a normal thread, around 10 pages or so, sure, maybe 20, but not one like this.

OR, if they were to replace Captain EO, which you seem so keen on, with a new space-themed ride, or something futuristic, that would be a good idea. But replacing it with Frozenland? That makes no sense. It just doesn't fit.
PS I'm not saying Captain EO needs to stay; I feel it needs to be replaced, too, but if it's going to be replaced, the replacement needs to be something relevant to the park it resides in.

Peace, love, and have a HAPPY FRIDAY!!!

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dadddio

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Lee said:
And yet....entirely accurate.
Not sure of your point.....
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I thought that my point was clear. As for the accurate part, it's not really, since no one has supported Arendell taking over the Norway pavillion. Believing that a Frozen ride is a good fit for the pavillion is not the same as recommending that the movie take over the entire pavillion, as we have discussed ad nauseam. Twisting the discussion to suggest otherwise does not help the conversation. Nor does attacking other posters or any of the other fallacious arguments thrown about in here.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
dadddio said:
I thought that my point was clear. As for the accurate part, it's not really, since no one has supported Arendell taking over the Norway pavillion. Believing that a Frozen ride is a good fit for the pavillion is not the same as recommending that the movie take over the entire pavillion, as we have discussed ad nauseam. Twisting the discussion to suggest otherwise does not help the conversation. Nor does attacking other posters or any of the other fallacious arguments thrown about in here.
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Supporting what is happening now is supporting Arendell taking over because that is what is happening.
 
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dadddio

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TeriofTerror said:
Woo-hoo; I finally got completely caught up on this thread! I think I may need a nap, now.
A few things:
1. To those of you posting with statements along the lines of, "I can't be bothered to read page after page of your opinions, but I'm now going to pontificate upon my opinion for eighteen paragraphs," -- wow. Just... wow.
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How many pages must a person read of a thread that goes around and around and around the same points from the same people before he has a valid opinion of that thread?
 
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Lee

Lee

Adventurer
dadddio said:
I thought that my point was clear. As for the accurate part, it's not really, since no one has supported Arendell taking over the Norway pavillion. Believing that a Frozen ride is a good fit for the pavillion is not the same as recommending that the movie take over the entire pavillion, as we have discussed ad nauseam. Twisting the discussion to suggest otherwise does not help the conversation. Nor does attacking other posters or any of the other fallacious arguments thrown about in here.
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lazyboy97o said:
Supporting what is happening now is supporting Arendell taking over because that is what is happening.
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Thank you, lazyboy. That's what I was going to say.
Inserting Frozen into Norway (ride, shop, meet and greet, etc.) will, in effect, turn the pavilion into the "Frozen" pavilion.

Doesn't matter if they change the name on the map or not. They are creating a defacto Frozen pavilion in World Showcase.

Anyone in favor of that has no understanding of the idea and purpose of Epcot and World Showcase, and is clearly so enamored of Frozen and it's characters, or "Disney", that they are willing to overlook the damage being done. I just can't relate to that.
 

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