dstrawn9889
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so i see where the 60th turrets in DL are going once they are removed from the weenie
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Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion
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NearTheEars
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As I've said (and many, many, many others here) Frozen deserved a place in Fantasyland. Probably not to the extent of this expansion, but a nice chunk.
I have to ask, though, since folks are raving about this announcement: if TDO had said they were retheming the Norway pavilion in WS to a Scandinavia pavilion featuring a new Frozen ride, would there have been as much backlash?
Just throwing that out there.
RIP Maelstrom.
I have to ask, though, since folks are raving about this announcement: if TDO had said they were retheming the Norway pavilion in WS to a Scandinavia pavilion featuring a new Frozen ride, would there have been as much backlash?
Just throwing that out there.
RIP Maelstrom.
Skippy
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An interesting question, but I don't think it has anything to do with Tokyo's announcement.
Personally I would be less frustrated about the change in Norway if they said the pavillion would no longer be Norway (Be it Scandinavia or even just Arendelle). I wouldn't like it, but that's different than being dumbfounded by the lack of thematic sense.
If you want to cartoonify WS, fine. I think it's an awful decision and I'll complain about it, but just do it and call the 'country' Arendelle. Don't pretend you're keeping Norway around.
NearTheEars
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Yep, that exactly what I mean. If they had renamed it the Scandinavia pavilion, much like this new TDS land will be a Scandinvian port featuring Frozen attractions, it probably wouldn't be as frustrating, as you put it.
I don't see why they couldn't have done that if there is no money coming in from Norway anyway.
But, like many say here, they probably just don't care enough to change it. And that's obvious considering the are throwing their massively successful film into a small pavilion in EPCOT.
lazyboy97o
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The problem with renaming to the Scandinavia Pavilion is that the theme of the World Showcase pavilions is culture and not location. Yes, it'd be better for Disney to stop lying but calling it Scandinavia would still be just as much lying.
Skippy
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I think there's a better argument in saying Arendelle fits within a greater Scandinavian culture than trying to say it fits within Norwegian culture.. It would give the attraction a broader opportunity to show off a region's culture as well.
NearTheEars
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I sort of agree, but the main argument throughout this thread is: Frozen is not set in Norway. Arendale (sp) is not located in Norway. And that it doesn't matter that Frozen uses several examples of Norweigian and Scandinvian culture throughout the film. It seems that is all about location, location, location, so to speak.
Regardless of all that. Fantasyland would have been the best location.
lazyboy97o
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I've said for some time now that the "It's not set in Norway argument" is quite lousy and can be fixed with one line of dialogue in a short or the sequel. But from an American perspective, one would not describe Frozen as a foreign film nor would it be considered a domestic film anywhere in Scandinavia.
Skippy
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By placing a Kingdom inside another country? Making Elsa the Queen of Norway? I'm not really sure what satisfying fix you're thinking of.
Very true and no one is arguing that. The idea floated by @NearTheEars was that it would get less hate if it was at least a proper representation of the country. Not that it would avoid criticism altogether.
lazyboy97o
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Kingdoms can and have existed within a larger political entity. Denmark-Norway was comprised of the the Kigdom of Denmark and the Kingdom of Norway. Bavaria, home to Neuschwanstein the model for Sleeping Beauty Castle, retained its title of kingdom and Ludwig II his title of king when the state joined the German Empire.
NearTheEars
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Magenta Panther
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I'm just going to drop this here for the people who aren't following Spirit's thread. Should make for an interesting comparison with the Frozen/Maelstrom overlay.
"The overall theme for the new themed port at Tokyo DisneySea Park will be Scandinavia with a portion of the area being themed specifically to the world of the Disney film Frozen. "
Look at the snowfall! Now, to me, the ONLY thing that really got me excited about the idea of a Frozen ride (I'm not saying Frozen doesn't belong in WDW and other parks - it totally does - a Disney-adapted huge success story - I'm just not nuts about the actual movie) was the concept of a frozen land existing within a Florida or California park. The snow falling on Main Street during the Christmas parade in WDW is awesome beyond words. Imagine walking into an area of snow and ice in Fantasyland, with snow falling periodically. Looks like that's gonna happen in TDS, while WE get a lousy overlay on an already decent, thematically-correct ride in the Norway pavilion. Sucks!
chiefs11
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I thought the pavilion was originally planned to be Scandinavia.... and then it became Norway when Norway (and Norwegian companies) were the only ones willing to sponsor it. Personally, I think changing it back to Scandinavia would kinda fix some of the thematic issues I have with shoving Frozen in there. Now that it is no longer sponsored, nothing would stop them from doing this. I wish they had just built Arendelle next door on the vacant pad with a new E-ticket ride and the meet-n-greet, and combined it all into one large Scandinavian pavilion. (Similar to what we see in the concept art for DisneySea) That could have left Maelstrom in place, maybe with some minor updates and a proper refurb.
lazyboy97o
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That still doesn't address the issue of culture. You still have an Arendelle Pavilion siting in World Showcase, it'd just be lumped in with another to still try and hide that fact.
chiefs11
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Agreed, ideally it wouldn't be there at all. Just that, in my opinion, it would have been better, and I think I'd have been ok with it that way.
Captain Chaos
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Wow Frozen is everywhere. Leaked season finale of Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D.
Coulson, on his never ending quest to find super powered humans, zeroes in on a female who can make things freeze. But, he know he will need help, because, once this female let's it go, he could be turned into a block on ice. He calls on Thor to help him.
Coulson: Thor, we need you.
Thor: How can I be of service?
Coulson: We have tracked a super powered human, a female, who with one wave of her hand, can turn an entire kingdom to ice.
Thor: That's interesting.
Coulson: So, will you help us?
Thor: And where is this super power human residing?
Coulson: In a land you may be very familiar with, the kingdom of Arendelle, in Norway.
Thor: You jest. There is no kingdom of Arendelle in Norway.
Coulson: Yes there is. You should know this. The people there worship you and your father Odin, and your brother Loki as gods. Surely you been there.
Thor: Coulson, for the last time, there is no such place in Norway, or any Scandinavian land called Arendelle.
Coulson: Nick Fury said so. Therefore, the kingdom must exist.
Thor: And where did Fury hear such foolishness?
Coulson: Bob Iger, the CEO of a huge media company known as Walt Disney Company. He reached out to Nick and informed him of Queen Elsa, also knows as, The Snow Queen. She has a few members of her society as well. Her sister Anna and a talking snowman Olaf.
Thor (laughing hard): Who is this idiot Bob Iger you speak of? He sounds like a fool. And Fury listened to this brainless human? I lost all respect for him. And you, Coulson, getting duped into such foolishness.
Coulson: You don't have the knowledge of how things are here on Earth. See, to prove it further, The Walt Disney Company is building a tribute to this kingdom in one of its theme parks, Epcot, in Orlando, Florida. The attraction is replacing a ride called the Maelstrom, which depicted Norwegian legends, history, and folklore. Very much fitting into the theme and mission statement of Epcot and World Showcase.
Thor: Tell me more about this Epcot and this Maelstrom.
Coulson: See, Disney built the World Showcase in one of their theme parks, Epcot. World Showcase was meant to bring a small sampling of foreign countries folklore, history, customs, food, and drink along with merchandise to guests who visited this theme park. Disney has now removed Maelstrom from the Norway Pavilion and is replacing it with a tribute to Queen Elsa, I mean the Snow Queen, removing the vikings, who probably didn't exist anyway. And we all know trolls don't exist, unless of course they are the rock trolls Elsa and Anna have befriended. Disney stated the purpose of World Showcase, so obviously, Arendelle exists, or else Disney wouldn't be adding such an educational ride to Norway. Which is also proff Arendelle is located in Norway.
Thor: Coulson, Fury should have let you die if you believe that foolishness. I know of one thing of your earth. There are already millions of morons here. You prove to be yet another. Arendelle does not exist. As for the Snow Queen, you mean the story written by Danish author Hans Christian Anderson right? You are wasting my time here. Now leave me. I shall return to Asgard. Only call on me when there is a real issue at hand.
Later that day:
Coulson: Nick, you told me Arendelle was real. I went to Norway. Thor was right. There is no such place as Arendelle or no such person as Elsa. What is going on?
Fury: I had good information from Bob Iger. Let me get him on the phone. ***Dials number*** Yes, this is Director Fury, I need to speak to Bob. What do you mean he is busy? Put him on the phone now.
Iger: Hello, this is King Iger. Man, I still love that Ragnar, giving me the idea to appoint myself king.
Fury: Bob, this is Director Fury. King? Um, whatever. Listen. You gave me wrong information. Arendelle does not exist in Norway. Coulson tried to recruit Thor, who just laughed at us. Phil went on his own. Elsa, Arendelle, neither are real. Neither exist.
Iger: Why, it does. We are currently constructing a ride based on our animated hit Frozen. We are putting it into Norway, in some theme park I think we own capped, hold on... Mary what's that place in the middle of Florida called again? Where we are putting Frozen? Oh yea.. ok. Mary, my secretary speaks foreign tongues sometimes. I think she is from another planet. She called the theme park Epcot in a place called Walt Disney World, what ever that is. Who is this Walt Disney and why does he have a world named from him? I'm King Iger, I should have universes named for me!!!
Fury: Bob, what the hell is in the water over there in California?
Iger: No idea. But here in Walt Disney Company corporate office, it is laced with Pixie Dust.
Fury: So, you basically give me information about some theme park ride you think you are building in a place your company owns and runs, yet you do not know the name of. And then claim the kingdom is real?
Iger: it is real. Arendelle is in Norway. We say so, therefore it is. But shhhhh it's MAGICAL. it isn't on any map. It is all in my head. Hey, look, truth is, we own ABC. Your show is on ABC. We own Marvel. We therefore own you. And we own Frozen. It's synergy Fury, SYNERGY!!!!!
Fury: You're an idiot.
iger: Do you want to build a snowman.....
Fury: Coulson, send Thanos the coordinates of Iger's office. Let him do what ever he shall do. We'll ignore it.
***Fade to black. Season 2 comes to an end.
Coulson, on his never ending quest to find super powered humans, zeroes in on a female who can make things freeze. But, he know he will need help, because, once this female let's it go, he could be turned into a block on ice. He calls on Thor to help him.
Coulson: Thor, we need you.
Thor: How can I be of service?
Coulson: We have tracked a super powered human, a female, who with one wave of her hand, can turn an entire kingdom to ice.
Thor: That's interesting.
Coulson: So, will you help us?
Thor: And where is this super power human residing?
Coulson: In a land you may be very familiar with, the kingdom of Arendelle, in Norway.
Thor: You jest. There is no kingdom of Arendelle in Norway.
Coulson: Yes there is. You should know this. The people there worship you and your father Odin, and your brother Loki as gods. Surely you been there.
Thor: Coulson, for the last time, there is no such place in Norway, or any Scandinavian land called Arendelle.
Coulson: Nick Fury said so. Therefore, the kingdom must exist.
Thor: And where did Fury hear such foolishness?
Coulson: Bob Iger, the CEO of a huge media company known as Walt Disney Company. He reached out to Nick and informed him of Queen Elsa, also knows as, The Snow Queen. She has a few members of her society as well. Her sister Anna and a talking snowman Olaf.
Thor (laughing hard): Who is this idiot Bob Iger you speak of? He sounds like a fool. And Fury listened to this brainless human? I lost all respect for him. And you, Coulson, getting duped into such foolishness.
Coulson: You don't have the knowledge of how things are here on Earth. See, to prove it further, The Walt Disney Company is building a tribute to this kingdom in one of its theme parks, Epcot, in Orlando, Florida. The attraction is replacing a ride called the Maelstrom, which depicted Norwegian legends, history, and folklore. Very much fitting into the theme and mission statement of Epcot and World Showcase.
Thor: Tell me more about this Epcot and this Maelstrom.
Coulson: See, Disney built the World Showcase in one of their theme parks, Epcot. World Showcase was meant to bring a small sampling of foreign countries folklore, history, customs, food, and drink along with merchandise to guests who visited this theme park. Disney has now removed Maelstrom from the Norway Pavilion and is replacing it with a tribute to Queen Elsa, I mean the Snow Queen, removing the vikings, who probably didn't exist anyway. And we all know trolls don't exist, unless of course they are the rock trolls Elsa and Anna have befriended. Disney stated the purpose of World Showcase, so obviously, Arendelle exists, or else Disney wouldn't be adding such an educational ride to Norway. Which is also proff Arendelle is located in Norway.
Thor: Coulson, Fury should have let you die if you believe that foolishness. I know of one thing of your earth. There are already millions of morons here. You prove to be yet another. Arendelle does not exist. As for the Snow Queen, you mean the story written by Danish author Hans Christian Anderson right? You are wasting my time here. Now leave me. I shall return to Asgard. Only call on me when there is a real issue at hand.
Later that day:
Coulson: Nick, you told me Arendelle was real. I went to Norway. Thor was right. There is no such place as Arendelle or no such person as Elsa. What is going on?
Fury: I had good information from Bob Iger. Let me get him on the phone. ***Dials number*** Yes, this is Director Fury, I need to speak to Bob. What do you mean he is busy? Put him on the phone now.
Iger: Hello, this is King Iger. Man, I still love that Ragnar, giving me the idea to appoint myself king.
Fury: Bob, this is Director Fury. King? Um, whatever. Listen. You gave me wrong information. Arendelle does not exist in Norway. Coulson tried to recruit Thor, who just laughed at us. Phil went on his own. Elsa, Arendelle, neither are real. Neither exist.
Iger: Why, it does. We are currently constructing a ride based on our animated hit Frozen. We are putting it into Norway, in some theme park I think we own capped, hold on... Mary what's that place in the middle of Florida called again? Where we are putting Frozen? Oh yea.. ok. Mary, my secretary speaks foreign tongues sometimes. I think she is from another planet. She called the theme park Epcot in a place called Walt Disney World, what ever that is. Who is this Walt Disney and why does he have a world named from him? I'm King Iger, I should have universes named for me!!!
Fury: Bob, what the hell is in the water over there in California?
Iger: No idea. But here in Walt Disney Company corporate office, it is laced with Pixie Dust.
Fury: So, you basically give me information about some theme park ride you think you are building in a place your company owns and runs, yet you do not know the name of. And then claim the kingdom is real?
Iger: it is real. Arendelle is in Norway. We say so, therefore it is. But shhhhh it's MAGICAL. it isn't on any map. It is all in my head. Hey, look, truth is, we own ABC. Your show is on ABC. We own Marvel. We therefore own you. And we own Frozen. It's synergy Fury, SYNERGY!!!!!
Fury: You're an idiot.
iger: Do you want to build a snowman.....
Fury: Coulson, send Thanos the coordinates of Iger's office. Let him do what ever he shall do. We'll ignore it.
***Fade to black. Season 2 comes to an end.
Cesar R M
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Captain Chaos
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No but maybe I should... not start? LOL
