Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Ah, but NBC suggests Diagon Alley was $400 million. And we now know that $500 million from Disney is really only $384 million! So there's proof that...

...we don't know anything!

It's all so confusing. If only there was some sort of accounting standards we could point to.

Edit to add...

It would also be nice if TWDC didn't cook their books in order to hide the HUGE losses MDE and NextGen are accruing.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Nemo has become a walk-on at Epcot because it was poor quality and shoehorned into a pavilion it doesn't belong in. My point with Frozen was shoehorning it into Norway could have the same effect as Nemo at the Seas.
That's a good point. I'm sure it will be very popular being the shiny new toy but after that, who knows. The short sighted easy fix is often not the long term solution.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry... what?

Cost to integrate Frozen into the Norway Pavilion: Millions of dollars
Cost to leave Maelstrom the way it was: Zero dollars
Distorting reality to make a point: Priceless

There are plenty of arguments to be made against Frozen in Norway (that it didn't actually take place in Norway chief among them); but it's disingenuous to blame it on Disney being "cheap" when the alternative (leaving Maelstrom alone) would have been the much "cheaper" option.
WDW's Frozen ride. $75 million. TDS Frozen ride $500 million. Seems that Epcot is getting the cheaper Frozen ride. By a WHOLE FREAKIN' LOT!
 

WedwayPM

Active Member
I never experienced a walk-on.

I've gone pretty much every August and sometimes February for the last 15 years. It's always at least 20-30 minutes. In fact we skipped it a few years simply due to the wait.

I have. Quite a few times. (Walked on). I've also skipped it due to an excessive stand-by time. Maelstrom was an anomaly in terms of wait times. It was hit or miss. While I enjoyed it and will miss it from a nostalgia standpoint, I'm also not ashamed to say I'm not so bothered by a Frozen ride taking over. I'm just not. To me it's not that big a deal. There will always be those that are unhappy with the direction WS is taking but there will also be a ton of paying guests each day who never even think about the fact that Frozen doesn't 'belong in Norway'. I prefer to not let it ruin my Disney experience. I will ride Frozen when it opens and I will probably love it. But I'm a glass half full kind of gal when it comes to Disney.

To each his own.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
1. I think your numbers for New Fantasyland are a bit high. I have no knowledge of Diagon Alley so I won't opine there.

2. Nobody is saying that WDI gets a great bang for their buck. @MichWolv just disagreed with the PP's statement that it's an accounting issue. It isn't.

3. Diagon Alley was strictly an expansion, yes? It's much more expensive to demo existing structures and THEN build (Fantasyland) than it is to build on "virgin" land.
Ok, the current accept figures for NFL and DA are $450M and $265M, respectively.

And no, DA isn't pure expansion space it sits where Amity/Jaws were. Which included a pretty significant water basin for the Jaws attraction.
 

JordanNite

Well-Known Member
I never experienced a walk-on.

I've gone pretty much every August and sometimes February for the last 15 years. It's always at least 20-30 minutes. In fact we skipped it a few years simply due to the wait.

Utter nonsense. Even during the busiest of busiest days, like peak Summer days the wait time rarely ventured beyond 20 minutes.
 

JordanNite

Well-Known Member
WDW's Frozen ride. $75 million. TDS Frozen ride $500 million. Seems that Epcot is getting the cheaper Frozen ride. By a WHOLE FREAKIN' LOT!

I may be wrong. But Disney doesn't actually own Tokyo Disney Sea, and have no say over it's operation. They pay Disney to license their characters, theme parks, and rides. They are essentially a franchise operation - and doing very well.

However, i don't understand the hype about Disney Sea - it's actually pretty dull. Any ride they have tried to create themselves are usually rubbish and missing the magic
 

spacemt354

Chili's
I may be wrong. But Disney doesn't actually own Tokyo Disney Sea, and have no say over it's operation. They pay Disney to license their characters, theme parks, and rides. They are essentially a franchise operation - and doing very well.

However, i don't understand the hype about Disney Sea - it's actually pretty dull. Any ride they have tried to create themselves are usually rubbish and missing the magic
Have you been to Tokyo DisneySea?

Utter nonsense. Even during the busiest of busiest days, like peak Summer days the wait time rarely ventured beyond 20 minutes.
Simply agree to disagree
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Then we simply disagree on what constitutes a "dull" experience. This is not a "dull" experience to me...


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Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
Utter nonsense. Even during the busiest of busiest days, like peak Summer days the wait time rarely ventured beyond 20 minutes.
See, that's not what I have found. I have only ridden it twice. I really didn't like it. I would only ride it if the line was 20 mins. or less. I only saw it at 20 or less once after the first time I rode.

But I have to admit, sometimes I wouldn't even go see what the wait time was.

And a ride showcasing the country of Arendelle as the centerpiece of the Norwegian Pavilion in Epcot's World Showcase still hurts my brain.
 

CentralFLlife

Well-Known Member
Didn't WDI spend 100 million on Ariel's Undersea Adventure? Which was a ride they already had designed and built so they just needed to clone it.

Puts into perspective how they are with spending money.

Now they have 3/4 of that and have to essentially build another pavilion in addition to an attraction.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I have. Quite a few times. (Walked on). I've also skipped it due to an excessive stand-by time. Maelstrom was an anomaly in terms of wait times. It was hit or miss. While I enjoyed it and will miss it from a nostalgia standpoint, I'm also not ashamed to say I'm not so bothered by a Frozen ride taking over. I'm just not. To me it's not that big a deal. There will always be those that are unhappy with the direction WS is taking but there will also be a ton of paying guests each day who never even think about the fact that Frozen doesn't 'belong in Norway'. I prefer to not let it ruin my Disney experience. I will ride Frozen when it opens and I will probably love it. But I'm a glass half full kind of gal when it comes to Disney.

To each his own.
Being against an illogical, cheap, short sighted decision is not the same as being unhappy over the direction of WS. Not being rude in any way. Just saying there is a difference and when looked at from a larger perspective, it's not a step forward. Not saying it's necessarily a step backward either, more of a lateral.


Frozen targets a much more specific audience than other Disney films would. I won't be surprised to see just as many kids that could care less about the new ride (boys probly). In fact, boys are much more stubborn to avoid anything too "girly". All the more proof that non IP based attractions have a better chance at standing the test of time and truly being fun for the whole family.
 

JordanNite

Well-Known Member
Simply agree to disagree

Nope, i shall disagree with you all day long. Perhaps you were just very unlucky, August is a peak time, and perhaps you hit the height of queue times for that particular m
Then we simply disagree on what constitutes a "dull" experience. This is not a "dull" experience to me...

It's very beautiful to look at, visually gorgeous as most other Disney parks. But at heart it's not the best park. The rides, bar Indiana Jones, are pretty woeful and underwhelming - the type you would see at a Cedars Parks. They've done these rides themselves, and it shows. It just lacks that magical disney factor.

Furthermore that Canal idea looks great, but it's at the corner of of the park as you enter, and goes nowhere. It sounds a good idea, but is misjudged.
 

Travel Junkie

Well-Known Member
I may be wrong. But Disney doesn't actually own Tokyo Disney Sea, and have no say over it's operation. They pay Disney to license their characters, theme parks, and rides. They are essentially a franchise operation - and doing very well.

However, i don't understand the hype about Disney Sea - it's actually pretty dull. Any ride they have tried to create themselves are usually rubbish and missing the magic

Well we found the .01% that doesn’t like Disney Sea.
Yes OLC owns TDR and pays a licensing fee to Disney. WDI pitches them projects and OLC has authority to say yes or no.
 

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