No, but keeping new rides/attractions/pavilions relevant to the existing environment isn't too much to ask either. Of course, to someone that hasn't been in a decade such additions may seem idyllic....
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Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion
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Mike S
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Where in my post that you quoted did I say that? Heck, where did ANYONE say that?
spacemt354
Chili's
No. LOTR was written as English mythology so it would be based in the UK areas of WS IMO.
People are going to see the areas/sets where the films were shot in New Zealand. It's a live action movie so that makes sense, going to be hard to go see where Frozen was shot at
But if New Zealand want to build a pavilion and feature LOTR I would be fine with it, since the WS was designed to promote countires and the films clearly show the incredible beauty of New Zealand I could see the fit. Seeing the movies made me want to go to New Zealand for sure.
You just don't understand what World Showcase is about...
lazyboy97o
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There is plenty of documentation regarding the goals of EPCOT Center. Disney today doesn't talk about theme parks except in fluffy terms of magic. A few years ago during IAAPA a panel of Imagineers, except Tony Baxter, were unable to answer a question about the different identities of the Walt Disney World theme parks.
It really seems your biggest issue is just not knowing that much about Scandinavia. Nobody is denying the common heritage of the Scandinavian people. But Frozen is not a Danish or Swedish film, it is an American film. The Vikings in Britain were invaders and a large basis for Anglo-Saxon culture, but that does not mean anything English also works in the Norway Pavilion.
People understanding the influence doesn't mean they consider the film to be a product of the culture or about the culture. Are Spaghetti Westerns a part of American culture? Was Tolkien wrong in what he said inspired Middle Earth and is it really about New Zealand?The increase in tourism shows that a large percentage of the public link Forzen and Norway. Disney is capitalizing on that link. Nothing wrong with that IMO. The Norway pavilion is not a historical site or a museum it's part of a them park, it does not need to meet the same high standards when bringing in attractions or events. Norway based or not Frozen is linked to that country.
But at the end of the day if the public does not want or think that Frozen belongs in Norway then Disney will have made a huge blunder and will have to decided what to do then.The free market is awesome like that.
BigTxEars
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I am not sure of you background but mine is in business and running one. It "links" as you can't run a business if you ignore the cost of doing so. Like I posted it's a balance between cost and customer demand for all business. Nothing different about that at WDW which is nothing more than a for profit business like so many others.
And the free market point is even more valid from your example, if folks were not content enough with what Epcot offers for the price they would not go there. The free market would close the gates or force WDW to offer more or lower the price to get in. How is that not an example of the free market?
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Oh my god that's embarrassing
misterID
Well-Known Member
Walt Disney Presents World Showcase, for the guest who prefers attractions based on our business minded, cost cutting, unoriginal ideas because... they just do. Not on quality, originality, sophistication, cutting edge technology, or theming. Enjoy!
That's what I learned in this thread. I didn't even know these guests existed! Oh, well, I guess I did. I just didn't want to accept it, on a humanity level, I guess.
That's what I learned in this thread. I didn't even know these guests existed! Oh, well, I guess I did. I just didn't want to accept it, on a humanity level, I guess.
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
No, I just don't agree with what you think it's about. Big difference.
To me it's a huge retailtainment location that is extremely well done. I don't think it has much to do with education in the modern day. I am fine with that, I don't expect a theme park to be anything other than a place to allow me to relax and have a good time.
I don't really care what your background supposedly is. Trying any and all avenues to link a fictional land to a real one still remains a specious endeavour....
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
And Pinocchio in the Germany Pavilion because the Alpine aesthetic is more relatable to the Bavarian influence than it is to the Venetian and Neopolitain influences that dominate the Italy Pavilion.
Yeah, it was. I believe the then (and maybe even the current) portfolio leader of Epcot was on the panel too.Oh my god that's embarrassing
Again, the ideas behind World Showcase are rather well documented. You've already said that you do not know or care what it is about, so it's amazing that you keep insisting that it is and has been something else.
Disneyhead'71
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How about just the last part (...themed like the Haunted Mansion). Or more accurately, on the scale of the Haunted Mansion. No one expects Disney to build a Mega Coaster. We do expect Mega Attractions. And it is entirely possible to build toddler friendly mega attractions that entertain teens and adults too.
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
Walt Disney Presents World Showcase, for the guest who prefers attractions based on our business minded, cost cutting, unoriginal ideas because... they just do. Not on quality, originality, sophistication, cutting edge technology, or theming. Enjoy!
That's what I learned in this thread. I didn't even know these guests existed! Oh, well, I guess I did. I just didn't want to accept it, on a humanity level, I guess.
Humanity level? It's a theme park, it's all fake..none of it is real..........a bit over dramatic wouldn't you say?
And if the business aspect of WDW is a shock to you then I am not sure what to say. I am realistic enough to know that it has to be run as a business and that means cost have to be controlled.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
If a desire to make money is incompatible with a desire to educate and expose, how is there any education? Teachers are paid. As are professors, and in many schools they are encouraged to publish books that are sold. There are financial prizes offered for research. Text books are sold. History tours and lectures are sold. Books and documentaries are sold. Are the only educational films made by Disney that are actually educational those made during World War II because they tended to be sold at cost or at a loss?
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
I don't feel the need to link the land to the movie, I have said a number of times that is irrelevant. The general public already does link it, the vast majority of WDW guest do as well IMO. That is good enough for Olaf to land in Norway according to WDW and I agree.
I personally think Frozen and Norway are linked but I don't think trying to prove that matters at this point.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
It was run as a business when EPCOT Center was first built. It was actually quite successful too. But yes let's forget all that because Frozen was a mega blockbuster and needs to be put in as quickly and cheaply as possible.
Then stop replying to my posts....
misterID
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Don't take it personal. That's jt's MO. He loves jumping into conversations with exaggerated nonsensical comparisons to push his agenda... that I'm not quite sure I understand. He also makes ridiculous proclamations that never happen, but eight years later when something does happen, he pokes his head up to prove he was right. He tries to discredit all the insiders ALL THE TIME... unless it fits with some twisted sideshow way to help prove his point, even though he NEVER visits WDW. JT is very, very entertaining.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Yeah I know his MO and no way did I take it personal. Just want to see what kind of convoluted answer I getDon't take it personal. That's jt's MO. He loves jumping into conversations with exaggerated nonsensical comparisons to push his agenda... that I'm not quite sure I understand. He also makes ridiculous proclamations that never happen, but eight years later when something does happen, he pokes his head up to prove he was right. He tries to discredit all the insiders ALL THE TIME... unless it fits with some twisted sideshow way to help prove his point, even though he NEVER visits WDW. JT is very, very entertaining.
Disneyhead'71
Well-Known Member
OK, how about this.No. LOTR was written as English mythology so it would be based in the UK areas of WS IMO.
People are going to see the areas/sets where the films were shot in New Zealand. It's a live action movie so that makes sense, going to be hard to go see where Frozen was shot at
But if New Zealand want to build a pavilion and feature LOTR I would be fine with it, since the WS was designed to promote countires and the films clearly show the incredible beauty of New Zealand I could see the fit. Seeing the movies made me want to go to New Zealand for sure.
http://www.weather.com/travel/tourists-flock-chinas-avatar-national-park-photos-20130926
So, replace Reflections of China in the Chinese pavilion with Avatar. Avatar's animated mountains resemble the mountains in China.