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Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion
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imagineer boy
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Wow, when was the last time Yahoo or any other news site reported on fan reaction to a Disney parks decision?
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/disney-stirs-up-controversy-with-new-frozen-attraction-97897323192.html
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/disney-stirs-up-controversy-with-new-frozen-attraction-97897323192.html
I think people just honestly believe that adding Frozen to anything automatically makes it better since it was a successful movie (successful in the sense that it made money). If I put a picture of Anna and Elsa next to a fresh, steaming pile of dog pooh, does it make it more appealing? To Frozen fans, the answer is yes, especially if 'Disney' does it.
lazyboy97o
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Bullocks. There is nothing complicated about it. Plenty of attractions have lost sponsorship of the years. Some of the World Showcase pavilions never had sponsorship. But that didn't invoke an automatic switch to an unrelated experience. Space Mountain didn't become the Mickey Mouse Coaster when RCA or FedEX left.
Tigger1988
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Any credibility Yahoo had (very little to begin with) vanishes when they quote "The Disney Hipsters." Journalism is dead.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Fixed.
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
I didn't know Disney started removing the trolls from maelstrom already...
Stop. This is not troll country.
Lighten up. This is a 127 page thread on a subject that is already as they would say "water under the bridge"......
BigTxEars
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If your going to bring up the fact that it's Disney's responsibility to maintain and upgrade the WS then it is their decision how to do so to meet the desires of the majority of their guest. If you are taking Norway out of the responsibility loop then their cultrual "say so" on how they are represented is gone as well. That "say so" has been brought up on this thread how many times in objection to this move? Disney thinks Frozen is a desired representation of Norway in the WS, thus they are putting it in and they have every right to do so since they are the only one responsible for the pavilion.
And IMO the folks on here who are trying to get a rise out of people are the ones who keep hammering the same old objection that anybody who is not horribly offended by this move just does not understand WS or Epcot in general. Forbid anybody has a different outlook on things than them..."those people" just don't understand what they are supporting.....or its because they are cracked out on Pixie Dust....how else could they support this move? No room for different opinions in their world I guess.
They keep throwing that mess out then they should expect some pushback. It's a two way street, fair enough right?
If someone finds my opinion offensive by all means ignore it or slap me on the ignore list. But don't think trying to browbeat me into being quiet is going to work. I have an opinion just as they all do, as have the same right to voice it.
spacemt354
Chili's
If it's water under the bridge then why bother commenting and extending the topic further?
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
What country/culture was it based on in your opinion? Even the script has references to Norwegian terms.
At the end of the day it's irrelevant though as the vast majority of guest at WDW link the movie with Norway. That is why it "fits" in the Norway pavilion from Disney's perspective.
At the end of the day it's irrelevant though as the vast majority of guest at WDW link the movie with Norway. That is why it "fits" in the Norway pavilion from Disney's perspective.
Phil12
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I think you've nailed it! The synergy with this attraction is strong and getting Kaopectate (or other such medication) as a sponsor is pure genius. Take a dose and then "Let It Go"!
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
Why are you?
I love how people call other people out for posting on a thread they themselves are posting on.
Next Big Thing
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This thread is honestly pointless. Some people are fine with the change. Others are vehemently against it. Others are trolls. No one is going to change anyone's opinion.
It's wasted time on everyone's part, it's not like all of this arguing is going to make TDO say "Oh, well the people on WDWMagic don't like it, let's NOT do that to Maelstrom".
I hate to kind of bring a dose of reality into the conversation, but Epcot isn't now what EPCOT Center was in it's ideals or themes, and it never will be again.
It's wasted time on everyone's part, it's not like all of this arguing is going to make TDO say "Oh, well the people on WDWMagic don't like it, let's NOT do that to Maelstrom".
I hate to kind of bring a dose of reality into the conversation, but Epcot isn't now what EPCOT Center was in it's ideals or themes, and it never will be again.
spacemt354
Chili's
Nobody is telling you that you don't have a right to voice your opinion.
You have voiced your opinion here. When you put your perspective out on a public forum it may be critiqued. Criticism isn't silencing your opinion. It's simply the other perspective. If you want to continue the banter then please offer more evidence as to why you feel the way you do, instead of crying for sympathy because you think nobody agrees with you and is trying to keep you quiet.
Your last comment I had quoted voiced an opinion that if you didn't know it was going to get a rise out of people, you don't know these forums. And I think you're smart enough to know that.
spacemt354
Chili's
Because I don't think it's water under the bridge.
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
You think new thoughts and ideas are being presented 127 pages in? The horse is dead, you're just beating it.
BigTxEars
Well-Known Member
You could be right but the hope to reverse this is maybe at 5% and honestly I think that is being generous. Frozen is a beast of media power and retail power, what it is replacing is not even a household name. This is not even David vs Goliath, it's more
AEfx
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I'm sorry but that's such a load of hooey.
I stand by my original statement - if you blindfolded someone and brought them to the load area, took off their blindfold, let them ride the attraction, and then when they get off the ride ask them what it was about - I doubt the vast majority of folks would say "Norway" unless they spied the murals in the queue, which are as close as one is going to get (and even then there are several Scandinavian countries it could also be about).
It would be akin to claiming it would be capturing the "American" spirit by having a ride with a scene about the Salem Witch Trials, a scene showing Jack'O'Lanterns, and at the end dropping folks into a flume that takes them around various tech company structures in Silicon Valley before dropping you off at unload.
In the end, though, there are two facts which are consistently ignored: one, more folks are going to enjoy riding Frozen than Maelstrom, which reportedly has one of the worst guest satisfaction ratings in WDW, and two, the general public seems to disagree as to Frozen having nothing to do with Norway, as tourism has increased an incredible 37% since the film.
Suggesting it's a fantasy ride... blows my mind.
Imagine someone calling a tour of the Vatican a 'fantasy based attraction'
ROFL, that's a terrible comparison for many reasons, chiefly:
One, the obvious - it is "fantasy based" according to the 80+% of folks in the world that do not subscribe to the Catholic religion.
Second, that said, at least the Vatican is an actual historical landmark with some significant ties to world events. Norway in Epcot is a facade of cement and is entirely "pretend".
That's the part that I think folks miss. If you step out of the Disney bubble, WS is actually an example of what folks in the real world say about things being "Disney-fied" in a pejorative sense. It's like claiming Mohegan Sun in CT is a "Native American" experience because they have rock work and scattered images of Native Americans spread about the Casino/mall atmosphere.
BigTxEars
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You want to post that it's Disney sole responsibility to update and maintain WS then your going to get Disney's perspective on how to do it. If Frozen (in all it's huge popularity) is not part of that perspective then Disney would be acting very foolish from a business perspective. How does that get a rise out of anyone who has thought this thru?
FigmentJedi
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Except the narrator yammers on about THE SPIRIT OF NORWAY every 20 seconds.