Disney CMs and UPS Workers have won a lawsuit against the Union!

[IanDLBZF]

Apparently, there was a lawsuit recently against the Teamsters Union Local 385 (in Orlando), which claimed that the Union had obstructed their attempts to drop their memberships.
The workers filed federal unfair labor practice charges against the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 385 starting in 2014.
At Disney, the Teamsters Local 385 is one of six organizations comprising the Service Trades Council Union. The Teamsters represent workers including bus drivers and character actors.
That is the problem with the Unions nowadays folks, and I feel they are nothing more than brainwashed activists.
Source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-disney-teamsters-judge-ruling-20170327-story.html

 

[HMF]

That is the problem with the Unions nowadays folks, and I feel they are nothing more than brainwashed activists.

And the corporations aren't?

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

And the corporations aren't?

in a word no. they are not the same .

 

[Acidsplat]

That is the problem with the Unions nowadays folks, and I feel they are nothing more than brainwashed activists.

Yeesh, I don't think unions and corporations are that black and white.

 

[_ZJ]

Florida is a right to work state. Cut and dry case.

 

[Patcheslee]

Yeesh, I don't think unions and corporations are that black and white.

No it is never blavk and white. Working in a right to work state, and being a union member I understand only 1 concern for mine. If membership drops below a certain percent og workers, the company can force the union out. Which would then lead to possibly much lower wages ect. But ignoring and making people who don't want to be a member jump through hoops is still wrong.

 

[TubaGeek]

It's sad that Disney can't play fairly WITHOUT unions.

 

[Nubs70]

No it is never blavk and white. Working in a right to work state, and being a union member I understand only 1 concern for mine. If membership drops below a certain percent og workers, the company can force the union out. Which would then lead to possibly much lower wages ect. But ignoring and making people who don't want to be a member jump through hoops is still wrong.

And now the names of the non union workers will be published in the unions monthly newsletter under the Scabs section

 

[biggy H]

And now the names of the non union workers will be published in the unions monthly newsletter under the Scabs section

Won't that open up the Unions for being sued again? Not sure how American law works like that. It wouldn't be allowed here in the UK.

 

[Nubs70]

Won't that open up the Unions for being sued again? Not sure how American law works like that. It wouldn't be allowed here in the UK.

Found this out at one of my customers. It was in the back of the US Steelworkers magazine.

 

[LAKid53]

No it is never blavk and white. Working in a right to work state, and being a union member I understand only 1 concern for mine. If membership drops below a certain percent og workers, the company can force the union out. Which would then lead to possibly much lower wages ect. But ignoring and making people who don't want to be a member jump through hoops is still wrong.

Yes, the Teamsters were in violation of Florida law if they obstructed paying members from cancelling their membership. But under Florida Right to Work laws, the Teamsters will still represent these employees in collective bargaining.

However, HB 11, if it passes the Florida Senate, may change that. The bill will decertify any public sector union if its dues paying membership drops below 50% of all the members covered. Which means each individual employees would have to negotiate their pay and benefits - retirement, health insurance, leave, etc. If the bill passes both houses of the Legislature and the governor signs (I have no doubt he won't), then there will be a push to expand to all unions, not just those representing public sector employees.

Unlike what the OP thinks, unions aren't evil, brainwashing entities. When the Florida Legislature illegally took away our pay raise one year, it was AFSCME, representing all state employees, who went to court and successfully sued under breach of contract. AFSCME also successfully sued the Florida Legislature to prevent them changing the retirements of employees who had already retired. ASCME will also provide representation for any covered public sector employee in disputes with their employer. We did not need to be a dues paying member of AFSCME to benefit from their representation.

 

[matt9112]

No it is never blavk and white. Working in a right to work state, and being a union member I understand only 1 concern for mine. If membership drops below a certain percent og workers, the company can force the union out. Which would then lead to possibly much lower wages ect. But ignoring and making people who don't want to be a member jump through hoops is still wrong.

Unions inherently do not increase wages (see disney CMs) that might have been true at some point in the past but hardly now. Good company's and bad company's both exsist. That is life.

 

[matt9112]

Yes, the Teamsters were in violation of Florida law if they obstructed paying members from cancelling their membership. But under Florida Right to Work laws, the Teamsters will still represent these employees in collective bargaining.

However, HB 11, if it passes the Florida Senate, may change that. The bill will decertify any public sector union if its dues paying membership drops below 50% of all the members covered. Which means each individual employees would have to negotiate their pay and benefits - retirement, health insurance, leave, etc. If the bill passes both houses of the Legislature and the governor signs (I have no doubt he won't), then there will be a push to expand to all unions, not just those representing public sector employees.

Unlike what the OP thinks, unions aren't evil, brainwashing entities. When the Florida Legislature illegally took away our pay raise one year, it was AFSCME, representing all state employees, who went to court and successfully sued under breach of contract. AFSCME also successfully sued the Florida Legislature to prevent them changing the retirements of employees who had already retired. ASCME will also provide representation for any covered public sector employee in disputes with their employer. We did not need to be a dues paying member of AFSCME to benefit from their representation.

Maybe tax payers don't want to overpay you??? Just a thought.

 

[LAKid53]

Maybe tax payers don't want to overpay you??? Just a thought.

State employees in Florida are among the lowest paid nationwide. And that case I mentioned was from the 1990s.

When the average state salary is around $32,000, that means a state employee with a household size of at least 2 is eligible for SNAP.

No, rank and file state employees are not overpaid. Plus, no raises in 9 years.

 

[Patcheslee]

Unions inherently do not increase wages (see disney CMs) that might have been true at some point in the past but hardly now. Good company's and bad company's both exsist. That is life.

I can only speak for the one I am in, which means they negotiated the contract to include wages, benefits, ect. But yes Indiana also forces the union to represent even nonmembers, which means the union has to absorb the costs associated with that person. I've worked at 3 other factories since 1998.(non union) all of which paid less than $8/hr because they could. Many are temp to hire with the reputation of letting the temps run their time, let them go, and bring in a new batch to avoid paying higher wages and benefits.

 

[jpeden]

Maybe tax payers don't want to overpay you??? Just a thought.

The majority of state employees would double their salaries if they performed their equivalent jobs in the private sector.

For example, I manage over $1 million in accounts/funds for a D-1, Tier 1 Public Research University, including setting payroll, spending, procurement, etc for this specific department. I would make double the amount I do if I did the same job profile for a private company and my insurance/retirement would be just as good if not better.

So no, contrary to popular belief, we public employees are not en masse overpaid. Before you speak and insult people, do a little research. Your life would be a lot more complicated without all us "overpaid" public sector workers you so easily seem to like to disparage.

 

[LAKid53]

The majority of state employees would double their salaries if they performed their equivalent jobs in the private sector.

For example, I manage over $1 million in accounts/funds for a D-1, Tier 1 Public Research University, including setting payroll, spending, procurement, etc for this specific department. I would make double the amount I do if I did the same job profile for a private company and my insurance/retirement would be just as good if not better.

So no, contrary to popular belief, we public employees are not en masse overpaid. Before you speak and insult people, do a little research. Your life would be a lot more complicated without all us "overpaid" public sector workers you so easily seem to like to disparage.

I am in total agreement.

I oversaw cash management for sponsored research at the same level institution as you - millions of dollars in federal/state research grants. Prior to that, I oversaw revenue/budgeting/spending for two multimillion dollar public sector trust funds. And worked on issuance of revenue bonds to fund one segment of our program. In other words, I did the public sector version of asset portfolio management.

My salary, given my experience and education, in the private sector would be at least 4 times what I was making, since I'd be working at companies with names like Morgan Stanley.... But I decided instead to be a lowly paid, much maligned public servant - for the reasons Jack Kennedy inspired many of my generation to enter public service. I am proud to have served the citizens of my state and the students and faculty of my university.

 

[LAKid53]

Unions inherently do not increase wages (see disney CMs) that might have been true at some point in the past but hardly now. Good company's and bad company's both exsist. That is life.

You are completely wrong. It depends on the profession the union represents and the power they can bring to the negotiating table. In Florida, state employees are constitutionally prohibited from work stoppages, i.e., strikes. Which I imagine is the same in most other states. And many states are pushing to decertify public sector unions and abolish civil service protections. Why? We're not the enemy...but we've always been the easy scapegoat for state legislatures.

 

[Laketravis]

For example, I manage over $1 million in accounts/funds for a D-1, Tier 1 Public Research University, including setting payroll, spending, procurement, etc for this specific department. I would make double the amount I do if I did the same job profile for a private company and my insurance/retirement would be just as good if not better.....

I oversaw cash management for sponsored research at the same level institution as you - millions of dollars in federal/state research grants. Prior to that, I oversaw revenue/budgeting/spending for two multimillion dollar public sector trust funds.....My salary, given my experience and education, in the private sector would be at least 4 times what I was making, since I'd be working at companies with names like Morgan Stanley.....

Might it have to do with scale? Not to minimize the importance of the work either of you perform, but managing an aggregate portfolio of $1 to $10 million is considered to be quite small in the private sector where a portfolio manager or controller would be responsible for managing much more than that. Especially at companies with names like Morgan Stanley.

 

[LAKid53]

Might it have to do with scale? Not to minimize the importance of the work either of you perform, but managing an aggregate portfolio of $1 to $10 million is considered to be quite small in the private sector where a portfolio manager or controller would be responsible for managing much more than that. Especially at companies with names like Morgan Stanley.

One of the trust funds I oversaw ranged in to $260 -$300 million range. Annual receipts on federal grants typically were $10 - $15 million. We're talking about public funds also. Frankly, managing a $50 million portfolio for a client at Morgan Stanley would have been much easier...