Disney Announces New Nature Resort on Bay Lake

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
You have a lot of good points, but this was an epic goal post move. Iger has been CEO when the P&R head built plenty of resort hotels with and without DVC. #ThanksShanghai.

You attribute far too much to Iger so that he can be the 'big bad' in your posts. I think it is fair that this may be Chapek's first project from start and presumably to finish. (but that depends on how much of Riviera was planned before Chapek took over)

But it’s about whose paying the BILLS!!! You absolutely can not look at capex with subsidies and lump them the same way. That doesn’t compute.

what non-DVC hotel project has been planned/constricted/completed for Anaheim, Orlando or Paris after January 2017?

2005-present?

There are the goal posts. Line up your kicker.
 
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Sir_Cliff

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One quibble, I am pretty tall and some of the falling water ceilings are not ideal lol
Sequoia Lodge at Disneyland Paris is a hotel that is actually inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright, and some of those low angles may bring back bad memories!

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Beautiful hotel. My favourite at DLP.
 

Dunston

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We've only seen one rendering so far, so it's too soon to vindictively judge the whole planned resort. That being said, the main architectural style they've chosen seems to be "gentrification." I'm curious to see what the whole place will look like.

To all the people complaining that the hotels at Disney World aren't ever themed anymore ever, you do remember that a Star Wars themed hotel is underway, right?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
We've only seen one rendering so far, so it's too soon to vindictively judge the whole planned resort. That being said, the main architectural style they've chosen seems to be "gentrification." I'm curious to see what the whole place will look like.

To all the people complaining that the hotels at Disney World aren't ever themed anymore ever, you do remember that a Star Wars themed hotel is under construction, right?

It’s true...the current projects underway, however, are not promising.
I for one was massively underpressed with the wilderness lodge DVC gut...not a great effort in my opinion.

Early reaction is tinged by that.

Star Wars hotel is not under construction...it was announced an preliminary plans hinted at.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Oh thanks, I edited my post. I figured they would've started by now, considering how far along Galaxy's Edge is...

That hotel is in the middle of all that construction...i don’t think they can start at this point...I’d guess early next year though

They could be doing site work...but I don’t think you’ll see vertical for quite a while
 

Ponderer

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Wow you have read a lot into that crappy urban modern style that they are building everywhere (Springhill Suites among others) I would certainly not consider them a fine derivitive of Fallingwater or any of Frank L:loyd Wright's works. This looks like a typical modern hotel chain with some nice landscaping and a slightly interesting porte cochere. It is not a masterpiece of themeing..It does not conjure images of Frank Lloyd Wright and the prairie school of architecture at all...and should not even be spoken of in the same sentence as the Wilderness Lodge... This is bland contract design... Unlless they are hiding the amazing details we are going to see... totally out of the box and lacking that Disney style...

I was clearly talking about the school of architecture, not this resort, which doesn't exist yet and so can't be judged as a finished work. But I vehemently disagree with your perspective. You see specific influences all through this structure in its geometry and concept, especially with the Robie House in Chicago, the Martin House in Buffalo, Still Bend in Fall River.
 

Missing20K

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Sequoia Lodge at Disneyland Paris is a hotel that is actually inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright, and some of those low angles may bring back bad memories!

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Beautiful hotel. My favourite at DLP.

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice building (I only walked through some of the common areas) and I liked a lot of decisions but this little article sums up my feelings about it quite nicely. Though I dispute the authors distinction it's Pairie style inspired if the architect himself says he was inspired by a trip to Montana, but nonetheless.

Architecture July 1992 - "Rustic Redux"

Also, a little off topic, but the entire July 1992 issue was devoted to Entertainment Architecture. Here's a link for anyone interested.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Don't get me wrong, it's a nice building (I only walked through some of the common areas) and I liked a lot of decisions but this little article sums up my feelings about it quite nicely. Though I dispute the authors distinction it's Pairie style inspired if the architect himself says he was inspired by a trip to Montana, but nonetheless.

Architecture July 1992 - "Rustic Redux"

Also, a little off topic, but the entire July 1992 issue was devoted to Entertainment Architecture. Here's a link for anyone interested.
Again, we may be drifting off topic (sort of), but I completely disagree with that article! I actually think Grumbach's hotel was the most successful of the Disneyland Paris hotels. It certainly think it has aged the best, in my opinion.

For me, the Sequoia is the best in themed hotel architecture in that it takes recognisable design elements and assembles them into a recognisable and compelling whole without being an almost literal reproduction nor some kind of postmodern deconstruction of theming. In this way, I actually like it a lot more than the over-the-top approach of the Wilderness Lodge. Stern's Newport Bay Club, on the other hand, layers on the theme with a trowel such that it could be within a theme park, while Graves' Hotel New York may have seemed playful at the time but has badly dated as a 1990s piece of post modern architecture which now looks a little like an old pastel office park. The Sequoia for me hits a sweet spot of themed architecture that definitely evokes a sense of place while not hitting you over the head with theme and story.

It's all a question of personal preference, though! Thanks for posting the link. I'll have to read through the other articles!
 
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EricsBiscuit

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I'm hopeful they'll flesh out the concept with a good story and more detail as we see more concept art. I'm also hoping they include a nod to RC and to the True Life Adventure films.
 

Tom P.

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Help me out here?
My original phrasing may have been inelegant. I didn't mean that folks were actually trying to dislike what Disney does in the sense of saying they don't like it regardless of how they really feel. I meant that it seems like there are some folks who just do dislike whatever today's Disney does, regardless of what it is. Which I can't understand. I don't see how someone can be a Disney fan and yet constantly be negative about everything Disney does. But that is just me.
Tom thinks you thought he was accusing you of being an anti-Disney plant or something, paid by Brian Roberts and Sumner Redstone to sow discord in the fan community. That's what he thought you meant when you were defending yourself against ulterior motives.
Wait... that's what Tom thinks? I didn't think that's what he thought, and I know him pretty well. When he said I was accusing people of having ulterior motives I took him to mean that he thought I was accusing people of being dishonest in portraying what they thought -- of being a troll, essentially. That's not what I think or meant. I just meant that some people seem to always have a negative reaction to everything Disney does, no matter what, and I can't understand that.
 

Bocabear

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I was clearly talking about the school of architecture, not this resort, which doesn't exist yet and so can't be judged as a finished work. But I vehemently disagree with your perspective. You see specific influences all through this structure in its geometry and concept, especially with the Robie House in Chicago, the Martin House in Buffalo, Still Bend in Fall River.
a square roof does not mean Frank Lloyd Wright... You can trace architectural influences through many buildings if you isolate tiny details but the spirit of what I am seeing has nothing to do with Frank Lloyd Wright's aesthetic. Just because they used a modern style porte cochere does not mean the resort is evocative of his work... That is like saying the new McDonalds restaurants are clearly influenced by the Memphis architectural movement, but no, it is just a cheap concrete box....and these buildings are more evocative of a Marriott B Brand airport motel than a Frank Lloyd Wright masterwork... Again you can say, Hey Frank used rectangular doors in the Robie house and glass in his windows so this is Frank Lloyd Wright inspired, but having been to the Robie House many times and Taliesin as well, I can tell you this looks nothing like his work...and he and his heirs would be insulted to hear the comparison...
 

note2001

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What I think they're going for:

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Naming idea: Call this location Boulder Ridge Resort, it seems to be all about rough angles and raw stonework so it makes sense.
Then RENAME the Villas at Wilderness Lodge BACK to VWL as it should be. They can take the godawful pool too. Restore the serenity.
 
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