Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

Yup. Live-action Lion King is bad. So is Live-action Jungle Book and Beauty and Aladdin. Quantumania was a huge disappointment. Frozen 2 was staggeringly awful. I haven’t seen Snow White but the trailer looks terrible. Heck, I really, really don’t like Avatar.

I liked your post for its candour, not because I agree with it all (though I too hated the Lion King remake).

 

[LittleBuford]

Did anyone not know that?

I deleted my initial reply to you, as I misunderstood what you wrote, for which I apologise.

But presumably the poster accusing her of mansplaining didn’t know.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I go back in December, looking forward to it. Staying at boardwalk and then wilderness lodge. Epic Universe brought us back and then head to Disney.

Was just at wilderness…better than I remembered

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I deleted my initial reply to you, as I misunderstood what you wrote, for which I apologise.

But presumably the poster accusing her of mansplaining didn’t know.

Fair

 

[Chi84]

I deleted my initial reply to you, as I misunderstood what you wrote, for which I apologise.

But presumably the poster accusing her of mansplaining didn’t know.

Nor did the poster know the definition of “mansplaining.”

 

[LittleBuford]

It could be…but not necessarily

I had a good record with I think 8 names on messages calling me “word salad” or “sir waffles” when I ended up paroled onto this board…

…pretty sure no like most of my nonsense posts now.

They take “seasoning”…apparently

Characterising your posts as confusing (which I believe they frequently are) is not the same as accusing you of having multiple accounts (which I don’t believe you do).

 

[FrontierSpirit]

Was just at wilderness…better than I remembered

Haven’t been in a long time but was always one of my favorites. Splurged and staying in the cabins for a couple of nights. Excited!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Characterising your posts as confusing (which I believe they frequently are) is not the same as accusing you of having multiple accounts (which I don’t believe you do).

Right…but what if the posts right before and after did exactly that? No nuance

And believe it or not…in prior stops I was a lot more direct…less metaphors and general shenanigans…

But something flipped that switch…I can’t figure out exactly what it was?

 

[Chi84]

Right…but what if the posts right before and after did exactly that? No nuance

Please don’t get multiple accounts

 

[DKampy]

Are we going to continue to argue that this is still a Business?

I love “art”…much more than the next guy…but Disney is not into art…they’re into free money and audience massaging…

That is sad…but it’s not changing this year or any other. Blame “market forces”…and I certainly didn’t start the fire

When did I even mention Disney? I am discussing theater business owners…. I doubt they loss money on Minecraft…. They have the film playing all day on their 2 biggest theaters…. Plus a couple of 3d showings showing in another…which seems to be sharing with captain America as that is also down to 2 screenings…. I would think that would be enough….I have seen blockbusters when that theater had 6 screens for that film… and the theater was not even half filled

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Please don’t get multiple accounts

Since I’ve never had one…I don’t feel inclined to change now

I’m nuts…and I throw a lot out there…but I’ll stand on it…right or wrong…agree or disagree…I don’t feel the need to create multiple accounts to “back myself up”…or care to “be right all the time” and change names to try and clear the slate

 

[BrianLo]

Was there really a lecture on leadership and empowerment in the movie?

Not really, no.

It’s now abundantly clear how few people saw this movie.

 

[TP2000]

Why “of all people”? As he himself has told us repeatedly, except for one or two exceptions, he doesn’t watch new releases, much less go to the cinema to see them. In terms of firsthand experience of any of this stuff, he is probably the least qualified poster here.

If one movie (Minecraft) is making $36,829+ per theater over a weekend, and another movie (Snow White) is making $1,623 it doesn't take someone with Mayer or Warner as your last name to figure out struggling theater chains would love to be able to move Minecraft into some of the theaters (screens) playing Snow White to almost no one.

There appears to be a contractual obligation why theaters have to keep Snow White around at elevated theater counts.

All I'm saying is that in the 2020's, there should be a more efficient and flexible way for theater owners to respond dynamically and instantly to the free market. They shouldn't be so bound to studio contracts, as if it was still 1995.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I want that classic fairy-tale magic, the romance, the “Someday My Prince Will Come” fantasy where a strong, heroic prince sweeps in.

Cool, but it’s been done to death to the point it’s a cliché. How about trying something new that others might enjoy?

women (me) can be a badass and romantic— Disney flattened Snow White into a one-note powerhouse.

I don’t know what film you saw, but she was most definitely both, and there was much more romance than the original.

Give us the magic we’re paying for.. maybe too strong. The magic we hope for, we wish for.

You are not necessarily “we.”

Was there really a lecture on leadership and empowerment in the movie?

Not at all.

For Snow White?
I wanted to sing “some day my prince will come” my mom used to have this wind up Snow White figurine that would play that melody.
I wanted to be swept off my feet by Prince Charming and sing that song in a dark theater.

Swept into Fantasy, just didn’t get it this time and was a major let down for me.

OK, so maybe this version isn’t for you, and that’s fine. Others have enjoyed it (myself included, though I may have enjoyed the dwarfs better if done differently.)

So you want a lecture?
I think you are upset I didn’t enjoy Snow White.
It’s my fault, I gave my opinion. It was heart felt and honest but it was negative.

I shouldn’t have said anything.
So , I’m sorry for not liking Snow White.

Before I go further, am I speaking with an adult?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Please don’t get multiple accounts

I think he should reserve “Sirwordsalad” before someone else does.

 

[BrianLo]

If one movie (Minecraft) is making $36,829+ per theater over a weekend, and another movie (Snow White) is making $1,623 it doesn't take someone with Mayer or Warner as your last name to figure out struggling theater chains would love to be able to move Minecraft into some of the theaters (screens) playing Snow White to almost no one.

There appears to be a contractual obligation why theaters have to keep Snow White around at elevated theater counts.

All I'm saying is that in the 2020's, there should be a more efficient and flexible way for theater owners to respond dynamically and instantly to the free market. They shouldn't be so bound to studio contracts, as if it was still 1995.

I still highly suspect you don’t actually get it. Minecraft likely is showing 5-10x more frequently at most of the theatres it’s at.

The multiplex doesn’t need Minecraft on all 20 screens, that doesn’t meaningfully improve buisness.

There’s a huge dearth of product right now. Theatres are built for 8-10 blockbusters in various stages of decline. Not one film.

 

[TP2000]

You're confusing theaters and screens here, ie theater is the physical place usually with multiple screens not the actual screen playing the movie. All of those theaters playing Snow White are also playing Minecraft. Its not like there is a theater out there only playing Snow White and not playing Minecraft I pretty much can guarantee it, where as the reverse isn't true.

The North American market has something like 40k screens across something like 4500 theaters.

No, I got that.

What's funny is that I remember almost typing the word "auditorium" this afternoon to describe the flexibility theaters need in the 2020's to respond more dynamically to the free market. A free market which is increasingly fickle, and is no longer behaving like it did in past decades when these types of studio contracts made more sense.

But we'll use the word screens. Almost all theaters in the USA today have multiple screens in them, which should be obvious when I referred to them this afternoon as "multiplexes".

Minecraft = $36,829 Per Theater
Snow White = $1,623 Per Theater

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not really, no.

It’s now abundantly clear how few people saw this movie.

The box office didn’t tip you off?

Luckily it only had that $180 mil budget…plus reshoots

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I got that.

What's funny is that I remember almost typing the word "auditorium" this afternoon to describe the flexibility theaters need in the 2020's to respond more dynamically to the free market. A free market which is increasingly fickle, and is no longer behaving like it did in past decades when these types of studio contracts made more sense.

But we'll use the word screens. Almost all theaters in the USA today have multiple screens in them, which should be obvious when I referred to them this afternoon as "multiplexes".

Minecraft = $36,829 Per Theater
Snow White = $1,623 Per Theater

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

Just bad contracts with a company who doesn’t quite have the mojo it did…no conspiracy

Occam’s razor

 

[LittleBuford]

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

@BrianLo just explained why this isn’t even true.