Sirwalterraleigh
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I got news for you if you think chapek was ever really in charge
The timelines don’t fit at all
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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The timelines don’t fit at all
TP2000
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The analysis of the box office speaks for itself.
Aside from personal commentary based on personal anecdotes or "lived experiences" as the kids love to say today, there's no need to analyze it much because it's screaming from the rooftops that Disney Co. is losing $400+ Million at the box office in just one summer.
Or is it the fact that I am posting the latest hard data about Disney's box office in the thread for Disney's box office what's troubling? If that's the case, the solution to that is for Disney to start releasing movies that actually make money at the box office. Problem solved!
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The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
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Phroobar
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Ron Miller was involved?
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
This line in particular makes me legit sad.
doctornick
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Well, it’s a leak from Disney sources specifically to promote how people inside the company were successful in getting gay representation in a Pixar film. So I guess not “official” Disney but it was certainly leaked by folks at the company to be a positive thing that Disney was doing for inclusion. Unsurprisingly, right wing outlets then took it and ran.
TP2000
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Yes, they do. Which is what disappoints a lot of folks in unfashionable places.
Which then causes them to stop buying Disney's media and products for their children.
Yup. It was mostly caused by white collar folks who took a Stunning & Brave Comp Day for Instagram Likes.
Then they went to brunch in Silver Lake, for more Instagram Likes.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Yeah but he was the one in front of the cameras. Given his skill set, "face of the company but no real power to do anything" is just about the worst possible scenario.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I really don't think it's true.
I live in a conservative area where everyone is married and middle-class with children, and the gay dads at the soccer field aren't weird or a novelty, they're just dads at the soccer field. The only discussion they've prompted in my house is about adoption because they have triplets, and my kids know how babies are made.
That is an opinion… I was personally invested throughout the entire show
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They’re gigantic hits…as were maverick and avatar last year.
Don’t say “make great movies”…ok…
1. Stop making remakes/reboots. In the post plague/stream world…there doesn’t seem to be impetus to spend $100 for a family of 4 to go watch the same story without the cartoon.
Or reboots that fall far inferior to the original 8/10 times. The entire idea of a reboot is flawed. “People used to love it…so let’s assume nobody remembers”
2. Diversify your offerings (that doesn’t meant what you think it means…but it makes perfect sense)
3. Do not “replace” your fanbases characters while trying to exploit them on the way out the door. They’re becoming notorious for this.
4. You gotta accept the financial risk of trying new characters and stories. They’ve allowed risk aversion to wreck their future…cause you’re Gonna need more…of everything
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CaptainAmerica
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5. Cut budgets drastically to mitigate financial risk. You can't spend as much on Strange World as they did on Mario and Spider-Verse combined.
doctornick
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That’s fair and I agree with you. But that doesn’t ignore the reality of how some potential customers feel and react. And, I think @CaptainAmerica is correct that there’s surely much more concern about trans/gender identity issues in cartoons and children’s fare among the public but gender identity issues are often lumped together with sexuality.
doctornick
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Absolutely it’s my opinion. But I do think it is one shared by a lot of people based on viewership and online discourse.
TP2000
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Whether we like it or not, that is the financial reality of the middle-class US marketplace in the 2020's.
The issue then becomes, if you alienate your core audience and they stop buying your products in noticeable numbers, will a new audience swoop in to take their place?
So far for Disney, no new audience is replacing their lost audience. That's the problem.
This is where it's similar to the Bud Light disaster. Bud Light purposely changed its marketing because as its hilariously idiotic yet Harvard educated Brand Vice President Alissa Heinerscheid so infamously bragged in a pre-Dylan interview, she felt But Light's core longtime customers were "fratty" and "out of touch" and she felt she needed to focus on "inclusion" and making Bud Light seem "lighter and brighter". The result is now one of the biggest brand disasters in American business history, worse than Edsel or New Coke.
Because much like Disney, no new audience that was "lighter and brighter" swooped in to save Bud Light and buy it on store shelves.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t agree with that thought process at all.
Children’s minds are like sponges…soaking things up as they try to learn interaction and mannerisms each day
The idea that they need to be “sheltered” from the realities of our planet and society is archaic and self defeating in the wash.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
And everybody knows it. It's so tiresome to play this game where we have to pretend that obviously true things are untrue.
I don't care how they vote, the vast majority of parents, if answering honestly, would agree with the statement "I love my son, and if he turns out to be gay, that's no problem and I'll love him just the same. But my son can't become my daughter by identifying as such."
doctornick
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And this is my take. Disney is doing things - often without any valid storytelling reason - that alienated some portion of their potential customers and those customers aren’t being replaced. Thus they are losing potential revenue. I don’t think you have to agree with the conservative folks avoiding Disney products to recognize this as a problem for the company.
Personally I just think the company needs to reset and recognize what battles to fight and what hills to die on. And they need to not be releasing projects that overtly promote divisive progressive causes (I would avoid conservative causes too mind you but I don’t think they are planning to put out a Pro Life film anytime soon).
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think there is a hard needle to thread with the marvel/Star Wars shows…
They’re trying to be impactful and entertaining and it’s hard to do both.
Still waiting to see what the point of secret invasion was? Like a 3 hour ride that dropped me off where I started
But anyway. The problem with the streams is they’re set up to fail because they’re too short. You can’t get anything done or characters developed without enough time. And there’s not enough time.
I use two Star Trek series and BSG as the counter examples. 20+ hours a year…you don’t have to have explosions or deep conversations in every cut away. There’s time for nuance and we humans have LONG days where we look for the nuance
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
There is zero argument to make that the box office doesn’t define success and failures. It’s a direct measure of popularity.The analysis of the box office speaks for itself.
Aside from personal commentary based on personal anecdotes or "lived experiences" as the kids love to say today, there's no need to analyze it much because it's screaming from the rooftops that Disney Co. is losing $400+ Million at the box office in just one summer.
Or is it the fact that I am posting the latest hard data about Disney's box office in the thread for Disney's box office what's troubling? If that's the case, the solution to that is for Disney to start releasing movies that actually make money at the box office. Problem solved!
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The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
This is one of the most ridiculous, disingenuous duster stances I can recall…that not enough people seeing a movie means nothing.
Only the D…nobody would suggest that for any other studio.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Fair point
But with Disney…this is a symptom of the Same rot as WDI
Do it on a timeframe and in a budget…and do it well or you’re fired.
I know…tough world, isn’t it?
But it’s the one we got