Well it looks like we finally can agree… it’s Hollywood wide problem across all studios
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Magenta Panther
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Indeed.
What needs to be taken into account is what the buzz about certain Disney films consisted of. What was the big news story about Lightyear? What was the big news story about Strange World? And what happened to those films' box office - and to nearly every other Disney film's box office since then?
As for Barbie - the trailers portrayed it as a bright colorful fun campy romp. That its last half turned out to be either preachy about "the patriarchy" or satirical about attitudes towards "the patriarchy" (depending on your point of view) was not advertised. Also, the fact that one of the Barbies is played by a trans actor was not focused on (at least not in any of the general press releases I read). In any case, Warner Bros. handled the film's publicity brilliantly. It focused on the parts of the film it knew the general audience would like, and left out the more controversial aspects. Smart move. Plus, the film has become an event that's bigger than the film itself - kind of like the Gentleminions fad that engulfed the movie Minions: The Rise of Gru. Nothing about Barbie's success mitigates the disastrous results of Disney getting involved with social politics. That has nearly driven the company to its knees. What it can do to fix it is the real question. For my part, I really have no idea. Iger and Chapek have damaged Disney's reputation for wholesome family entertainment. I don't know what can be done to get the public to trust Disney again. And that makes me sad. It could have been avoided with a little common sense. But wokeness and price hikes and poor park maintenance and corner-cutting have all boomeranged on Walt's company. And that makes me sad and MAD.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Mmmmmm…you almost did it.
when you watch highlights…the coverage is mostly about who WINS the game
Accept…Avatar is Disney’s Super Mario and Barbie, but apparently those don’t count
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
How much budget has Disney burned through in its long and distinguished list of flops around avatar compared to the others?
I don’t even need to do the research to tell you you’re not gonna like lt…
Change is needed. Fans want good Disney product. Get some people in their to MAKE IT.
All the studios need a change how much is MI7 or the Flash burning through… I actually believe WB maybe in worst shape since according to people here we cannot count Barbie since it was created by Mattel
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well it only matters who reaps the rewards. Warner is making money off Barbie the same as Disney does off Avatar.
But what they’re doing isn’t the model.
The answer — no one will hear it - is to expect less profit.
Which means entertainment companies need to go private…not a part of someone’s 401K
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
In theaters. For now. Yes.
Just like the music business changed - shifted from physical media sales (ironic that I'm the one saying this) to more of a touring model to make money for the artist.
And the artists will fight back and eventually get more of streaming just like the movie/TV strike will do something to fight back against changing ways of capturing the dollar within the marketplace.
We see experiments happening in theaters with comfy recliners (I sat in my first heated one to watch Haunted Mansion on Saturday, that was nice.) Another theater in the same building had "AMC Prime" which is apparently something like "Tough To Be A Bug" where your chair will vibrate/move/whatever with allegedly better sound effects, etc.
These things command higher seat prices. It looks like they'll also try out higher pricing for better seats.
We'll see what sticks and what fails. In the meantime, streaming & merch are going to continue to play a key role and won't be so easily discounted. Barbie merch is going to go through the roof for a minute.
Tony the Tigger
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As just mentioned, I did go see Haunted Mansion, with I think realistic expectations. I would have preferred to see the Guillermo Del Toro version happen, but I went, anyway.
I think folks on this board in particular will dig it just for the many overt and background references to the attraction. That was what I enjoyed the most, I think. The plot was OK. Slow start, didn't make you like one of the main protagonists, IMO. Once the whole crew got together, it started rolling.
I think DeVito was underutilized, and probably Haddish as well. Don't want to post spoilers, but there is so, so much to see/recognize from the attraction.
Barbie is a phenomenon, and it's going to continue swallowing up competition for a bit, I think. Oppenheimer seems to be, regardless of the quality of film, riding her coattails a bit with the whole Barbenheimier thing.
I think we have to acknowledge there's a segment of society passively and some more actively boycotting the Disney brand because, politics - not because of the films. And others are fed up with remakes, tie-ins, etc. And this film is not groundbreaking - nor is it meant to be. It's a fun time - I think exceptionally fun for fans like us. Can't go to the parks to ride Haunted Mansion? Watch this film.
I think folks on this board in particular will dig it just for the many overt and background references to the attraction. That was what I enjoyed the most, I think. The plot was OK. Slow start, didn't make you like one of the main protagonists, IMO. Once the whole crew got together, it started rolling.
I think DeVito was underutilized, and probably Haddish as well. Don't want to post spoilers, but there is so, so much to see/recognize from the attraction.
Barbie is a phenomenon, and it's going to continue swallowing up competition for a bit, I think. Oppenheimer seems to be, regardless of the quality of film, riding her coattails a bit with the whole Barbenheimier thing.
I think we have to acknowledge there's a segment of society passively and some more actively boycotting the Disney brand because, politics - not because of the films. And others are fed up with remakes, tie-ins, etc. And this film is not groundbreaking - nor is it meant to be. It's a fun time - I think exceptionally fun for fans like us. Can't go to the parks to ride Haunted Mansion? Watch this film.
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Tony the Tigger
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"Bob Fett" - is that a cousin?
Chi84
Premium Member
Who’s telling you this on a regular basis? I never got the impression that the movie was a massive hit with younger generations.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I don't know what to tell you man. I loved Andor. But nobody watched it.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Because as well made as it was, it was boring as hell. Like Secret Invasion. Someone at D+ needs to take charge and starting making TV shows not 5-6 hour movies cut into multiple parts.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Hahaha lol lol lol
You’re not following!! They aren’t making any money off streaming
And they’ve wrecked the LFL movie studio
It’s shut down…nothing being made
No dinero, senior
Lol haha lol haha
Bob Fett is the clone who became a used landspeeder sales attendant."Bob Fett" - is that a cousin?
Casper Gutman
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To our backseat studio heads - Mario and Barbie are big hits! What incredibly popular multigenerational IPs that haven’t been mined for films are you going to base the next mega hit on? Be specific - don’t just say “ I’d make good movie.”
TP2000
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Who isn't talking about Barbie this summer when talking about movies? It would be like not talking about Maverick during last summer's box office discussions, or not talking about Avatar during last winter's box office discussions. Barbie saved this summer's US box office.
Would it make you feel better if I
I'd be happy to do that, as I do for the little indie film that Disney purposely gave up on that all the wrong sorts of people are seeing.
Tony the Tigger
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Side note: it can't help the studio that there are far fewer seats in those converted theaters. It helps the theaters because their per seat take goes from $20-$25ish to more like $40 (guessing.)
I've skipped films lately because there were only 3 or 4 available seats out of maybe 40 in the room. In fact, we didn't see HM at our local AMC for that reason. They have a dine-in menu, but very few seats. We drove 15 minutes to the next one which had triple the seats, and only popcorn/pizza/chicken nuggets, etc. Whereas there was barely any room in the former, there were many empty seats in the latter. (Hey, nobody bothered us this time!) And the heated seats were a big + for old dogs like me with bad backs for a 2 hour movie with 20 minutes of previews! I would/I guess did totally pay extra for that seat.