Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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Casper Gutman said:
People looked for comments to amplify from Zegler and Mackie for very specific reasons. This didn’t just happen.

History exists, convenient or not.
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So because Mackie is captain america they went after him because of race? But race wasn't a thing when he was falcon and everyone loved him? I'm guessing that's what you mean by specific reasons. I don't think the vast majority of people were looking for anything with Mackie except making him Cap wasn't what people wanted. I'm sure for some race was the issue. There's intolerant people in the world, and there always will be. Yea people jumped the gun with not america comment. It was poorly worded. But that's died down fo the most part.
LittleBuford said:
It actually didn’t go off the rails when she said it. No-one noticed or cared about her remarks concerning the original film until they were suddenly dredged up months later by certain individuals and outlets determined to stir the pot. They certainly succeeded.
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That's true, and it happens often. Gunns jokes didn't spark outrage until 10yrs later when someone dragged it out to create a problem. This isn't just a Zegler thing as some like to make it seem. Gunn is a white male, and he wasn't exempt. And there's plenty of examples of the same thing happening. Months/years later things are brought up just to create a ruckus.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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erasure fan1 said:
But that doesn't answer my question. If it's just this echo chamber, and the normies don't care, why does it matter? It seems to me that someone brings it up, the Zegler defence team swings into action, and the same points get hashed out again. If it's left alone, and no one responds, it dies off. It seems there's some white knighting going on.

She said what she said. It's going to make some people mad, others not so much. This kind of thing has been going on for at least my lifetime. Again, it's more amplified now that's why it's as important as ever to be care what you say. Or more importantly how you say it.
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I didn't say its just the echo chamber here on this site. I said it was in its own echo chamber, the news keeps rehashing the story, and then someone bring it up here, and then we all discuss.

Its a discussion site, if people post things even if outlandish or something the "normies" aren't going to care about it gets discussed. I'm not sure why this insistence that we shouldn't discuss something a fellow poster posted, as that defeats the whole purpose of the forum. And even if some "white knighting" is happening, so what? I don't see anything wrong with defending something or someone especially when they (or it) can't defend themselves.

For that matter why is it when someone says they like something, the people that don't come jumping in and make claims like "no one likes it" or other such nonsense. Its just the way of the forums, like it or leave it.

Also basically you don't have to worry about it much longer as now that its releasing the discussion will naturally die off on its own after the movie does whatever its going to do, whether good or bad. Just like every other movie that has released over the last 5-6 years.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Another anecdotal potential problem:

On FB, I saw a post about the film by a site called Gayety. (It is what it sounds like.)

I expected better discourse than I’ve seen from the general public.

I was very disappointed to see nearly 100% of the apparently gay men posting saying the same ignorant, distorted things I’ve seen everywhere else.

You can bet I said my piece. Hypocrisy, yada yada.

I did not check every profile to see if they were just intruding on the page or actually gay.

That twisted narrative has permeated.
 
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Agent H

Agent H

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erasure fan1 said:
So because Mackie is captain america they went after him because of race? But race wasn't a thing when he was falcon and everyone loved him? I'm guessing that's what you mean by specific reasons. I don't think the vast majority of people were looking for anything with Mackie except making him Cap wasn't what people wanted. I'm sure for some race was the issue. There's intolerant people in the world, and there always will be. Yea people jumped the gun with not america comment. It was poorly worded. But that's died down fo the most part.

That's true, and it happens often. Gunns jokes didn't spark outrage until 10yrs later when someone dragged it out to create a problem. This isn't just a Zegler thing as some like to make it seem. Gunn is a white male, and he wasn't exempt. And there's plenty of examples of the same thing happening. Months/years later things are brought up just to create a ruckus.
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1. There wasn’t as much outrage back then because the “media grifter who complains about everything being woke” wasn’t really a thing back then. 2. Yes. People on the internet love to do that because controversy drives engagement.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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BrianLo said:
Stitch, save us!
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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Trauma said:
Yes that was my point. I just always assumed when they said the seat was unavailable that someone was already sitting there. I guess in this case they are just shutting down the front rows ?
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Its actually a new trend I've seen over the last couple years. For whatever reason its become a thing, don't know why, but its out there as a new "immersive" experience.
 
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WoundedDreamer

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We need a new Snow White thread! lol I heard the old one didn't survive the culture wars... 😆

This film really needed a positive critical reaction. Unfortunately, this Rotten Tomatoes situation is a body blow. Truthfully, we shouldn't be surprised. It was delayed for a reason. There was hope that the year delay had provided opportunity to improve the film, but it does not appear they were able to salvage the project. Snow White is DOA.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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WoundedDreamer said:
We need a new Snow White thread! lol I heard the old one didn't survive the culture wars... 😆

This film really needed a positive critical reaction. Unfortunately, this Rotten Tomatoes situation is a body blow. Truthfully, we shouldn't be surprised. It was delayed for a reason. There was hope that the year delay had provided opportunity to improve the film, but it does not appear they were able to salvage the project. Snow White is DOA.
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We don't need another thread, now that its releasing it'll soon be over in terms of the "war".
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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erasure fan1 said:
So because Mackie is captain america they went after him because of race? But race wasn't a thing when he was falcon and everyone loved him? I'm guessing that's what you mean by specific reasons. I don't think the vast majority of people were looking for anything with Mackie except making him Cap wasn't what people wanted. I'm sure for some race was the issue. There's intolerant people in the world, and there always will be. Yea people jumped the gun with not america comment. It was poorly worded. But that's died down fo the most part.
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This post reminded of a Cap 4 box office video I saw about a month ago so I found it again. It’s by “Beyond the Trailer” which deals primarily with movie math if anyone’s interested.

This review was interesting to me because it dealt with demographics, it talked about how the Black Panthers domestic audience was 37% black, 35% white and 18% Hispanic, then it compared it to Cap4 who’s domestic audience was 35% white, 26% Hispanic, and only 23% black. It wasn’t just whites that held back the box office, black people didn’t show up in good numbers either.

It also talked about how the Marvels was largely let down by women, 55% of Wonder Woman’s audience were women, 45% of Capt Marvels audience were women but only 35% of the Marvels audience were women, they just didn’t show up like they did for previous female superhero movies.

It’s easy to blame a specific group
for failures but that often doesn’t line up with reality, it’s often that every group didn’t show up.
 
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