Agreed… I don’t know what one persons personal experience has to do with the themes of the movie… different movies affect different people depending on different life experiences… that is what makes film subjective…I can tell you this my wife related to Barbie on a deep personal level and she has worked in the corporate world as well
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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LittleBuford
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I’ve tried to avoid getting into how the film relates to our personal experiences, as I don’t want to go down a potentially political rabbit hole. My focus has been on the film’s own plot and logic, which I’ve tried to characterise as accurately as possible without offering my own opinions on the issues that it touches upon.
At any rate, I certainly think it’s a sensitive and intelligent enough movie to speak to different audiences of different ideological persuasions, and I’m glad it’s cutting across demographic lines. My hope is that people start approaching Disney’s films with the same openminded attitude.
TP2000
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It seems like you are disappointed that I wasn't disappointed in the movie Barbie.
I thought the movie was a laugh riot when it was portraying "Barbie Land", and also had some really nice messages when it was portraying what the "real world" (in lowercase) actually is like now. Even though its inaccurate portrayal of the "real world" was, well, inaccurate. But it had to portray our 2023 world as inaccurately ruled by men, or else the entire gag about Barbie Land and Kens story arc wouldn't work.
I loved the movie, as did my entire family. My sister and her two daughters-in-law are actually talking about going to see it again in a couple days. That would leave us boys to just hang out in my Mojo Dojo Casa House, I guess.
TP2000
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The one big dilemma for me in the movie was the opening few minutes that was a riff on the opening few minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I imagine that many of the young moms and college aged girls in the movie didn't get that reference.
We had to explain why the older folks in the theater were laughing during that intro to my 30-ish nephews and their wives, unfortunately. And both nephews went to Stanford, so you'd think...
TP2000
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Back to Disney's movies...
Haunted Mansion is flopping at the box office under the weight of Barbie and Oppenheimer. It's opening weekend box office take has been freshly downgraded again this afternoon, now to just $25 Million for this weekend.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Haunted Mansion is flopping at the box office under the weight of Barbie and Oppenheimer. It's opening weekend box office take has been freshly downgraded again this afternoon, now to just $25 Million for this weekend.
Box Office: ‘Haunted Mansion’ Spooked, ‘Barbie’ Scores Record $93M Second Weekend in U.S.
'Haunted Mansion' has started off with a lackluster $24.2 million in another summer bummer for Disney. Elsewhere, 'Oppenheimer' earned a stellar $46.2 million in its sophomore outing.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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TP2000
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Exactly. The American corporate world changed deeply and broadly from about 1975 to 1995. And the 90's were already 30 years ago.
Then things kept changing and evolving past Y2K, into the 2000's and 2010's. Now we are well into the decade of the 2020's.
We still don't have flying cars in this exotic future of the 2020's, but talented American women in the workplace are flying high.
LittleBuford
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Not at all. As I said in my previous post, I’m very glad people are going into Barbie with an open mind and only wish the same were true for Disney’s more recent offerings, which are judged without even being watched!
GimpYancIent
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Nah. A Disney self-inflicted wound D +.
TP2000
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Agreed. Self-inflicted wounds earned with a PG rating and marketing aimed at small children. Not a recipe for success for Disney.
If Warners had marketed Barbie at small children, it would have received well-deserved criticism for that. Instead, Warners wisely got itself a PG-13 rating and aimed the marketing at teens to adults. Smart move that paid off nicely for them. It also helped the movie was fabulous.
LittleBuford
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It seems you misunderstood me. I don’t care how many people watch Disney’s films at the cinema. I’m talking about the way the films are perceived and assessed (including, and especially, by those who’ve never seen them).
LittleBuford
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What about his post do you agree with? I believe he’s referring to Disney+ disincentivising people from seeing Disney films at the cinema, not about age ratings or child-appropriate content. (@GimpYancIent, I apologise if I’ve misunderstood.)
GimpYancIent
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Nothing to apologize about. Same item, same subject, different views, different analysis and understandings otherwise this thread would be mighty boring.
wtyy21
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Toy Story 4 was really (as for recently) the last Disney movies (actually from Pixar) that Rated G (except for TV airings, Maldives, Singapore, and South Africa that are rated PG (or TV-PG for tv airing) for the film), and is the highest-grossing G-rated film in 2019 surpassing the traditional animated 1994 version of The Lion King (including re-releases).
Chi84
Premium Member
They also marketed it in a way that hid its message.
How Did Warner Bros. Sell Us on the Feminist Fantasy of 'Barbie'? By Ignoring Its Feminism (Opinion) — IndieWire
All involved with the “Barbie” press campaign should have embraced the movie for the feminist statement it truly is.
apple.news
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yep, which also turned into reviewing bombing once it was found out the real message of the film -They also marketed it in a way that hid its message.
How Did Warner Bros. Sell Us on the Feminist Fantasy of 'Barbie'? By Ignoring Its Feminism (Opinion) — IndieWire
All involved with the “Barbie” press campaign should have embraced the movie for the feminist statement it truly is.
Barbie's Rotten Tomatoes Unverified Audience Score Begins to Rally Following Wave of Negative Review Bombing
Barbie's record-breaking second weekend on release has seen its negative review bombing countered by a new wave of positive scores.
movieweb.com
Chi84
Premium Member
Not to mention some goof burning a trashcan full of Barbie dolls.Yep, which also turned into reviewing bombing once it was found out the real plot of the film -
Barbie's Rotten Tomatoes Unverified Audience Score Begins to Rally Following Wave of Negative Review Bombing
Barbie's record-breaking second weekend on release has seen its negative review bombing countered by a new wave of positive scores.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
All of which is why I didn't think it was going to do well originally, because I could read between the lines on what the "message" would be upon first viewing the trailers.Not to mention some goof burning a trashcan full of Barbie dolls.
Chi84
Premium Member
I doubt too many people looked past the bright pink colors and the fact that it was about the beloved Barbie doll.
TP2000
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Really? I could tell back in mid June that it was going to be huge when I first started blabbering about it over in the Disneyland thread. And I normally don't know what the hell is going on in current pop culture, but with this one I just knew.
It was, and is, the perfect summer movie. And America loves it just as much as I thought they would.
It's also likely the movie that will save Warner Bros. from its previous pathway to extinction. At least for now.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Lemme guess:
Disney flopping again is a “conspiracy”…while a movie doing well specifically aimed at a modern wash on an age old stereotype is also…”conspiracy”
…I’ll be over in the parks threads where a definitive decline in Orlando attendance is also a “conspriracy”…
And then on the DVC where the sales numbers not even being discussed is also a “conspiracy”
Disney flopping again is a “conspiracy”…while a movie doing well specifically aimed at a modern wash on an age old stereotype is also…”conspiracy”
…I’ll be over in the parks threads where a definitive decline in Orlando attendance is also a “conspriracy”…
And then on the DVC where the sales numbers not even being discussed is also a “conspiracy”